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Article #4455Re: GR with no Einstein? (Was: Re: No big crunch?)
From: Michael Weiss
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 10:42
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 10:42
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Cameron Randale Bass writes:
>> Suppose, as I have been, that you *don't even have* GR.
>> In 1906, there was no certainty that GR would be developed.
>> In fact, if Einstein had died in 1906, I'm quite sure it
>> wouldn't have been.
In article <1992Nov6.232435.15628@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu
(John C. Baez) writes:
>Oh good, let's argue about this, since it is utterly contrafactual. I'm
>sure GR would have been developed (though not in 1906!)....
In fact, there was a fairly extensive thread on this topic about a year
ago. Without trying to summarize, let me repeat 4 points people made:
(1) Pais' biography of Einstein provides much insight into the
convoluted intellectual history of the actual birth of GR,
primarily from Einstein's viewpoint of course, but also with an eye
towards other contemporary efforts (e.g., Nordstrom's theory).
(2) Other very different paths to GR exist. MTW mentions a "graviton"
based approach, worked out apparently by Feynmann. You don't get a
consistent unification of QM with GR, but you can somehow tweak out
Einstein's field equations. This was cited as an argument that GR
was "inevitable", once quantum field theory was developed.
(3) One does have to decide what "GR would have been developed" means.
Would it count to have a theory equivalent to GR, not generally
accepted but merely one of a welter of competing theories?
(4) And finally, from Twain we can crib the granddaddy of
counter-factual assertions: If Walter Scott hadn't written any
novels, there wouldn't have been a Civil War. [OK, that's not
exactly was Twain said.]
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!think.com!news!columbus From: columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: GR with no Einstein? (Was: Re: No big crunch?) Date: 9 Nov 92 10:42:45 Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 36 Message-ID: <COLUMBUS.92Nov9104245@strident.think.com> References: <1dco23INNh7j@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Nov6.042306.899@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Nov6.232435.15628@galois.mit.edu> <1992Nov7.034056.1944@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: strident.think.com In-reply-to: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU's message of 7 Nov 92 03:40:56 GMT