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Article #4661Thermo question for you
From: Daryl McCullough
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 17:44
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 17:44
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In article <1992Oct1.223858.10776@hellgate.utah.edu>, tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes: >There are two spheres in the following area divided into "macrostates" and >"microstates": > >------------- >| | | >| | | >| | | >------------- >| |o | >| | | >| | o | >------------- > >The bottom right corner is a special state, the others are not interesting. >The probability of it being in this state is 1/16... what is its entropy? In statistical mechanics the entropy of a macroscopic state is given by k log W, where k is Boltzman's constant, and W is the number of microscopic states that give rise to the same macroscopic state. Before you can determine the entropy of a system, you need to know what a (sufficiently) complete microscopic description of the state is, and what a complete macroscopic description of the state is. Usually, in classical statistical mechanics the microscopic state is determined by giving the positions and momenta (to a certain accuracy). The macroscopic state is given by the total energy, volume, and number of particles. In your case, you haven't really said what a complete microscopic and macroscopic description is. Just for definiteness, I will assume that the particles are distinguishable, and that a complete microscopic description consists of saying for each sphere in which of the four boxes the sphere can be found. Since you declared the lower right box "special", I will assume that the macroscopic description consists simply of giving the total number of spheres in the lower right box, and the total number of spheres in all other boxes (we don't care which box a sphere is in, as long as we know that it is not in the lower right box). Given all this, there is only one possible state consistent with the macroscopic state "Two spheres in lower right, none elsewhere". So the entropy is zero. >Now consider the system at some time later: > >------------- >| | o | >| | | >| | | >------------- >| |o | >| | | >| | | >------------- > >What is the entropy of this, and why? The macroscopic state is given by "One sphere in lower right, one elsewhere". Assuming distinguishable spheres, there are 6 possible microscopic states. The first sphere can be in the lower right, while the second sphere can be in one of three boxes, or the second sphere can be in the lower right, while the first is in one of three boxes. Thus the entropy is k log 6. If instead you assume that the spheres are indistinguishable, then the number of possible microscopic states is 3---one sphere is in the lower right, while one sphere is in one of the 3 other boxes. Daryl McCullough ORA Corp. Ithaca, NY
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!rpi!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!psinntp!psinntp!scylla!daryl From: daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl McCullough) Subject: Thermo question for you Message-ID: <1992Oct5.174426.9196@oracorp.com> Organization: ORA Corporation Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:44:26 GMT Lines: 74