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Article #4687Re: Covariant vs. Lie Derivative in Gen. Rel.?
From: John C. Baez
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:28
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:28
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In article <1992Nov10.173224.6690@vision.ummed.edu> lml@vision.ummed.edu (Lawrence Mark Lifshitz) writes: >So, conceptually, what is the difference between the two? >Does one require a different type of topogical space or >parameterization? Mathematically how do they differ? >thanks in advance. It always gets me when folks ask math questions on sci.physics and *not* sci.math. Is this meant to indicate that the answers mathematicians give will be too confusing? Let's see - I'm a mathematician and I will try not to be too confusing. I won't repeat the definitions of covariant vs Lie derivatives of tensor fields; instead, I'll just emphasize some ways in which they are VERY DIFFERENT. To begin with, though, they are both defined for any sort of tensor field on a manifold - so no "different type of topological space" is involved. Here are the big differences: 1) To perform a Lie derivative one needs, not just a tangent vector at a point of the manifold, but a whole vector *field* - at least on some patch (open set) of the manifold. This is because one needs to flow the tensor along the vector field, so to speak, and see at what rate it changes as it flows past a given point. 2) The covariant derivative only requires a tangent vector at one point of the manifold. The price you pay is this: to define it you need to choose a connection on the (tangent bundle of) the manifold. Of course, such a connection - the Levi-Civita connection - comes for free if your manifold has a Riemann metric on it. It is crucial to note that some *extra geometrical structure* (the connection) is involved in the covariant derivative that is not needed for the Lie derivative. To repeat: The connection allows you to compare tangent vectors at two points of the manifold given only a curve connecting them; the Lie derivative requires a whole vector field, to generate a flow that "drags tensors along".
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Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.math Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!galois!riesz!jbaez From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) Subject: Re: Covariant vs. Lie Derivative in Gen. Rel.? Message-ID: <1992Nov11.062853.22717@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: riesz Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA References: <1992Nov10.173224.6690@vision.ummed.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 06:28:53 GMT Lines: 37