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Article #4787Re: Covariant vs. Lie Derivative in Gen. Rel.?
From: Deane Yang
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:55
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:55
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In article <1drukoINN801@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> ask@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Andrew Stanford Klingler) writes: >JB: > >> >>To repeat: The connection allows you to compare tangent vectors at two >>points of the manifold given only a curve connecting them; the Lie >>derivative requires a whole vector field, to generate a flow that "drags >>tensors along". >> >The distinction you're making sounds kind of phony; after all one can >define a connection using a vector field or a field of one-forms (I may >be limiting myself to principal fiber bundles here). It seems like the >flow is just buried in the structure for a connection (in some sense a >connection gets you "more than a flow" - the local family of geodesics >through a point). Without a connection, you have no way to compare vectors >at two different points, so you have to transport tensors out, then back >to the same point and compare them there. With a connection, you have >"flow in every direction" (geodesics thru the point) so parallel transport >vectors from a point to any other point and compare them there. From this >point of view Lie derivatives and covariant derivatives represent the >same geometric thing, I think. Am I way wrong here? > > Jon Baez, I hope, will have a more complete explanation, but yes you're way off here. The covariant derivative and the Lie derivative are very different things. For one thing, a connection is something that can live in any vector or principal bundle, whereas the Lie derivative is only well defined for bundles associated to the tangent bundle. Secondly, the connection is an additional structure that one imposes on a bundle; the Lie derivative depends only on the smooth structure on the manifold. The easiest thing to do is to ponder this: On a tangent bundle with a torsion free connection (like the Levi-Civita connection of a Riemannian metric), The Lie derivative of a vector field W with respect to a vector field V is L_V W = [V,W] = D_V W - D_W V, where L denotes Lie derivative and D denotes covariant derivative. Addressing your discussion a little more directly, the point is that whereas a connection allows you to parallel translate a single vector from one point to another, if you have a global vector field, you can't transport vectors between two arbitrary points, but you can transport it between two points that lie on the same integral curve of the vector field. In other words, you can push forward a second vector field using the 1-parameter flow of diffeomorphisms induced by the first vector field. The Lie derivative is defined using this means of transporting vectors.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.math Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!shire.math.columbia.edu!dy From: dy@shire.math.columbia.edu (Deane Yang) Subject: Re: Covariant vs. Lie Derivative in Gen. Rel.? References: <1992Nov10.173224.6690@vision.ummed.edu> <1992Nov11.062853.22717@galois.mit.edu> <1drukoINN801@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: Mathematics Department, Columbia University Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:55:12 GMT Message-ID: <1992Nov11.225512.19729@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> X-Posted-From: shire.math.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 58