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Article #4993Re: Metals in liquid Nitrogen !!
From: BULLDAWG
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:07
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:07
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In article <1992Dec11.192622.6719@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: >In article <1992Dec11.171454.3158@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kpearce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (BULLDAWG) writes: > >[discussion of boiling in nitrogen deleted] >> >>But at this point, the metal makes a phase transition from one kind of >>metal crystal to another (bcc to alpha). Whenever a substance under goes >>a phase trnsition it gives up heat. So what was happining was that the >>metal was bubbling away as it cooled down giving up heat in a straight- >>forward way and then at a centain temperature, the metal says "hey, I'm in the >>wrong shape, and I have too much energy" and then gives up that excess energy >>_in_addition_ to the heat energy it was giving up to begin with and then >>as soon as it makes the phase transition, the copper goes to cooling down as >>before (the bubbles slow down). > > So all metals have discrete phase transitions near the boiling point of > nitrogen? And these phase transitions involve increased cooling > /increased heat transfer? Of course not. > > I think you'll find that it is just changes in the heat > transfer characteristics of the metal/fluid interface down near > the boiling incipience point that are the real cause. > > See my earlier posting for details. > I saw the earlier post. The data shown is over a range of temperatures. All LN2 that is found in an open dewar will be 77K. Refering to his chart, the LN2 should be boiling furiously (and is not, I just took a look to make sure). The data that you show in your chart just doesn't apply to this process (since it is all taking place at 77K). > dale bass >-- >C. R. Bass crb7q@virginia.edu >Department of Mechanical, > Aerospace and Nuclear Engineering >University of Virginia (804) 924-7926
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!kpearce From: kpearce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (BULLDAWG) Subject: Re: Metals in liquid Nitrogen !! Message-ID: <1992Dec11.200754.6398@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University References: <10DEC199219275429@trentu.ca> <1992Dec11.171454.3158@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1992Dec11.192622.6719@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:07:54 GMT Lines: 46