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Article #5027Re: Passive Magnetic Levitation (was: Science Fair Project)
From: Bill Riemers
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:01
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:01
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In article <1992Dec11.170337.22897@asl.dl.nec.com> terry@asl.dl.nec.com writes:
> Sure -- in the absence of gravity, my 3-pronger will eventually flip over.
>
> However, when I said that there "isn't enough stored energy in the system to
> make it flip," I was referring to the energy needed to raise it out of the
> metastable state, not the net energy gain:
>
> Metastable Energy Needed to Stable
> Levitation Rotate 3-Prong Final
> Energy State Around horiz axis State
>
> --
> - -
> - -
> - -
> - -
> - -
> - -
> ------- -
> -
> ------
>
> Peak_energy(theta) = f(arm_length) = ~ constant x arm_length
>
> Would you agree that this diagram and the ballpark equation under it describe
> the energetics of flipping my three-pronged device in gravity?
NO!
I would maintain that you had something like this before the arms:
Initail Trans. Finial Stable
unstable State State
state
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--
-
-
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Adding the arms changed this to:
Initial Transitional state Finial Stable
unstable State
state
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---------
-------
------
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The arms do not add in any energy barriers. The object rotates about its
center of mass, so energy is conserved. The arms do increase the moment of
inertia, slowing down the flipping process. If you slow this down enough,
maybe you can then use small air currents or something to stablize things.
> Any experiments yet? It might make a nice paper if it actually works...
That is really the best way to prove or disprove if your setup is stable.
Afterall, your initial post wasn't really too clear, so I could have
mis-interpreted what you have in mind.
Bill
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mcsun!dxcern!dxcern!bcr From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) Subject: Re: Passive Magnetic Levitation (was: Science Fair Project) In-Reply-To: terry@asl.dl.nec.com's message of Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:03:37 GMT Message-ID: <BCR.92Dec12000139@hfl3sn02.cern.ch> Sender: news@dxcern.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics References: <BCR.92Dec10212258@hfl3sn02.cern.ch> <1992Dec10.221950.13548@asl.dl.nec.com> <BCR.92Dec11013519@hfl3sn02.cern.ch> <1992Dec11.170337.22897@asl.dl.nec.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:01:39 GMT Lines: 72