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Article #5687Re: Lowneheim-Skolem theorem (was: Continuos vs. discrete models)
From: Michael Weiss
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:54
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:54
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In article <362@mtnmath.UUCP> paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik) writes: I think it will be difficult to build a discrete theory that encompasses GR and QM. The issue is not how difficult the theory is, but what approach gives the simplest model that accounts for experimental results. Arguments about countable sets have little relevance to this question. Yes! Exactly right! They do allow one to avoid making certain errors such as thinking that the continuum is a necessary mathematical element in any physical theory. Did anyone ever make this claim, i.e., that it is impossible to build a consistent physical theory without the continuum? My impression is that the Defenders of the Continuum (hmm... sounds like the title for an SF novel) in this newsgroup simply prefer continuum math to discrete math-- and also, there are well-worked continuum-based theories, with warts to be sure, for which detailed discrete replacements have yet to be offered. "We can dream, but we need not deliberately court nightmares." For some, getting rid of R looks like a nightmare. Personally, I am not fond of the Brouwer-Heyting-Bishop approach to mathematics. On the other hand, I think it would be delightful if someone created a new physical theory out of some strange-smelling brew of math logic, model theory, and who know what else (braids too, gotta have braids!), that at one blow "solved" quantum gravity, gave a new resolution to all the old QM koans, and predicted new, experimentally verified, physics. However, I'm not holding my breath.
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!think.com!news!columbus From: columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Lowneheim-Skolem theorem (was: Continuos vs. discrete models) Date: 19 Nov 92 15:54:52 Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <COLUMBUS.92Nov19155452@strident.think.com> References: <1992Nov17.124233.24312@oracorp.com> <1992Nov18.133219.6664@sei.cmu.edu> <362@mtnmath.UUCP> NNTP-Posting-Host: strident.think.com In-reply-to: paul@mtnmath.UUCP's message of 19 Nov 92 16:58:18 GMT