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Re: Instant Communications

#683
From: Benjamin Weiner
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1992 21:21
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Snarfy writes:
    Is  that so? Darn! Let's see now ... we're counting electrons as they go
  whizzing by at some  ``individual  point''  between  the transmitter  and
  receiver with our ``space ammeters'' ... I don't know about yours, but my
  electron count is zero!

Right, but there are lots of *photons* whizzing back and forth.  These
photons are electromagnetic radiation.  The EM field carries energy
which is how it completes the circuit (transmitter converts current 
to radiation, radiation whizzes off to receiver, receiver converts
radiation to current).  You could in fact detect the voltage of the
EM field.  If you set a voltmeter on AC and hold the leads free in the
air in a room with a fluorescent light you'll get a voltage reading
which is from the 60 Hz EM radiation.  Even better, use an
oscilloscope.

snarfy again:
    Isn't  that  because  at  any  individual  point  between the Xmitter and
  receiver there is only an  alternating  E  field  from  the  Xmitter which
  INDUCES  a  current  flow thereby CREATING the B field in the receiver? The
  space  in  between is just empty, except for the air molecules. ...

And the electric and magnetic fields of the radiation (or photons if
you will).  Please read the chapter on EM waves in a good book, like
Edward Purcell's "Electricity and Magnetism."

  Oh really? Now who's making up new theories?  ``Back propagates''? On  what
  page  of  what  authoritative  volume  can  I  learn  more  about  ``Back''
  propagation?  And where does this field contain a magnetic component other
  than  at the receiver or transmitter? 

Read someplace about retarded potentials, or something.  Where does
the field have a magnetic component?  Everywhere that there's
radiation.  Radiation implies a changing (oscillating) E-field, and
a changing E-field creates a B-field (ref. Maxwell's equations.)

All right, I refuse to correct you anymore, especially if it's 
hurting your feelings.  Ain't I sensitive?  (Just busy really)
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From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
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Subject: Re: Instant Communications
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Date: 4 Aug 92 21:21:58 GMT
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