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Article #7403Re: Re: Minor nit on psi experiment.
From: Dave Haynie
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1986 19:08
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1986 19:08
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> A third design for a REG is sometimes used for convenience but is
> considered much less rigorous. A human operator hits a button which stops
> a clock. The accuracy needed to "control" this situation is measured in
> milli- or microseconds, which is thought to be much smaller than the
> capabilities of the human nervous system. The random variability used here
> is that of the nervous system. This is usually used in the form of hitting
> a keyboard key which causes the low order bit(s) of the system clock to be
> read on a computer. This has the advantage of requiring no special
> equipment but raises a host of issues as to its reliability, theoretical
> correctness and interpretation.
I used something related to this for a design project in an EE class long
ago. The objective of the project was to design a set of electronic dice
that would exhibit random behavior. Something that could be made to
exhibit pseudo-random behavior (the same sequence could be easily recreated
by starting with the proper seed) was not acceptable. I built the dice with
a pair of modulo 6 counters that were driven by a high speed clock (typical
speed of 500KHz). The high speed clock's frequency was modulated by an
unrelated and very slow clock, with a period of several seconds. A person
could press the "roll" button and hold it indefinately, though upon being
released the "roll" would continue for about 1/2 a second. This roll was
assumed to be a fixed length, though it wasn't required to be. The end
result was a system that appeared very random. This randomness was based
on the inability of a human to press the switch at exactly random intervals
though, a machine closing the switch in a very exacting way would produce
a pseudorandom string of rolls based on the product of the machine's rate
and the two other unrelated rates in the dice circuit.
> Topher Cooper
>
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> Disclaimer: This contains my own opinions, and I am solely responsible for
> them.
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