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Article #7596Re: a QM paradox (??)
From: Christian Ronse
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1987 08:39
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1987 08:39
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In article <3794@oberon.USC.EDU>, mathur@pollux.usc.edu (Samir Kumar Mathur)
writes:
} Here is a thought experiment which seems to violate Uncertainity Principle (UP)
} that came up at a casual discussion with a friend.
}
} Scenario :
} There are two particles A and B and I am trying to measure their
} momentum and positions accurately.
}
} Experiment :
} (1) At time t:
} (a) I measure the momentums p(A,t) & p(B,t) and hence
} p(A&B,t) = p(A,t) + p(B,t) as accurately as I wish.
}
} (2) At time t+dt:
} (a) I measure the momentum of A, p(A,t+dt) as accurately
} as I wish.
} (b) I measure the position of B, q(B,t+dt) as accurately
} as I wish.
} (c) I calculate p(B,t+dt) = p(A&B,t) - p(A,t+dt)
} {conservation of momentum} as accurately as I wish.
}
} Conclusion:
} From steps 2(b),(c) I conclude that I can measure p(B,t+dt),q(B,t+dt)
} as accurately as I wish. This obviously violates Heisenberg's UP.
This is very close to the original statement of the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen
paradox. They assume two particles A and B having interacted at time t. Then
their respective position and momentum are related. At time t one measures the
position of A and the momentum of B, which allows one to deduce the position
of B and the momentum of A, and so violate the uncertainty principle.
This has been tested in various experiments with the X, Y, and Z components of
spin instead of position and momentum, especially in the Aspect experiment.
That topic has been discussed at length in sci.physics a few months ago.
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Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!mcvax!prlb2!ronse From: ronse@prlb2.UUCP (Christian Ronse) Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.philosophy.tech Subject: Re: a QM paradox (??) Message-ID: <335@prlb2.UUCP> Date: Wed, 5-Aug-87 04:39:28 EDT Article-I.D.: prlb2.335 Posted: Wed Aug 5 04:39:28 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 7-Aug-87 07:00:46 EDT References: <3794@oberon.USC.EDU> Distribution: world Organization: Philips Research Laboratory, Brussels Lines: 51 Keywords: Uncertainity Principle Summary: This is like EPR