🚀 go-pugleaf

I have deleted the entire text of snarfy's reply because it's all old stuff 
we've been through before.  It seems like we have reached an impass in this
discussion, with the positions of both sides clearly known to the other, with
neither side willing to concede the field. Fine.  But before this fades
away all together, I have the following comments for you (snarfy) to consider,
if you dare.

You started this thread with what amounted to a request for information
from the group.  The responses of Dave Ring, Dale Bass, and others have 
all been uniformly in agreement.  It seems to me that you now have a 
choice/opportunity.  You can either decide that the entire group of 
people to whom you are speaking are plain stupid for disagreeing with you
or that maybe you can learn something from what they have said.  

Only one of those options gives you the possibility of knowing more
physics than you started out with when you initiated this discussion.

-Scott
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Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver