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On 14 Mar, 23:57, "daestrom" <daestrom@NO_SPAM_HEREtwcny.rr.com>
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> "oriel36" <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 11 Mar, 00:11, "daestrom" <daestrom@NO_SPAM_HEREtwcny.rr.com>
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> > "oriel36" <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Mar 9, 3:27 pm, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:>
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> > >Most kids would like to know why we experience variations in daylight/
> > >darkness throughout the year and the answer is not a variable tilting
> > >Earth to the Sun,orbital plane or anything else.The cause of the
> > >variation is in the Earth's orbital motion as a seperate component.
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> > Pity nobody here asked that question, nor stated anything contrary to it.
> > If you can't follow the thread, I suggest you go back to the beginning of
> > it
> > and read the whole thing.
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> > Nobody here has been talking about the earth's axis shifting in relation
> > to
> > the orbit or any such nonsense. Your reading comprehension skills are not
> > as good as your 'jumping to conclusions' skills.
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> > daestrom
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> I do not draw conclusions,I work from known principles and
> unfortunately you do not.As an example,take a look at this basic
> staement -
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> > All you accomplish is to prove that the earth is rotating on its axis.
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> The correct working principles is that the Earth has a rotational
> orientation due to axial rotation keeping the planet pointed in
> roughly one direction inspace over the course of an annual orbit -
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> You obviously are some kind of arrogant BS artist with rather poor reading
> comprehension.  Nobody here said anything about the axis of the earth
> changing it's orientation in space. Yet you repeatedly try to make a
> straw-man argument that people here *are* claiming such things when they are
> not.  I suppose it's just so you can trot out your references and boost your
> obviously very fragile ego by asserting some rather obvious facts that the
> rest of us learned in grade school.  And have not disputed.
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Go ahead,tell me what mechanism,based on the Earth's motions,causes
daylight/darkness to vary over the course of the year.

If you ever discover what the actual mechanism is,specifically
attached to the orbital and only orbital motion of the Earth then
maybe I will discuss with you why your late 17th century
'gravitational' notions never worked.Until then you make a nuisance of
yourselves with variable axial/Equatorial inclination.

Apart from axial rotation,a location will turn through 360 degrees
with respect to the Sun over the course of an annual orbit.Allied with
axial rotation,it causes not only day night and variations is daylight/
darkness but also variations in the natural noon cycle.I do not need
to shove this down anybody's throat but if you can't handle this 100%
geometric certainty,I would not care what you believe about
me,astronomy or anything else.

You never learned the change in orbital orientation in grade
school,what you learned was variable axial ' tilt ' a pseudo-dynamic
that is unsuitable for 21st century concerns  .If you can't interpret
it from the images oif Uranus and what is occuring then perhaps you
should find another interest that is not so intellectually and
intutively challenging -

http://www.apl.ucl.ac.uk/iopw/uranus_keck_rings.gif




> Again, show us where anyone has claimed that the orientation of rotation of
> the earth changes in space (except that it *does* precess with a period of
> about 26,000 years).  You're ranting is totally off-topic and non-sequitor.
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Yeah,yeah,yeah,you dither around with obliquity and learned as a child
that the Northern hemisphere 'tilts' towards the Sun in summer and
'tilts' away in winter giving variable axial/equatorial  inclination -


"As a result, when the Earth is at a certain place in its orbit, the
northern hemisphere is tilted toward the Sun and experiences summer.
Six months later, when the Earth is on the opposite side of the Sun,
the northern hemisphere is tilted away from the Sun and experiences
winter"

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/seasons_orbit.php

No doubt you have no problem keeping the axis fixed to Polaris over
the course of the year while having the Equator tilt up and down to
the Sun,like so -

http://www.astronomy.org/programs/seasons/pictures/09reasons-for-seasons-general.gif

It is when you try to explain axial tilt from Solstice to Equinox that
you get into trouble and the resolution is the application of an
additional component to the orbital motion of the Earth just as I have
described.




> If the subject were what causes the seasons, or what changes the number of
> hours of daylight throughout the year, yes your information is correct.  But
> you can't seem to grasp what the real subject of the discussion is
> apparently.  So take your references about unrelated topics and go away.
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Naw,you missed what is in front of you as the fragile rings of Uranus
change with respect to the Sun as an orbital component -

http://www.apl.ucl.ac.uk/iopw/uranus_keck_rings.gif

You are used to applying terrestrial ballistics to planetary motion to
account for Keplerian orbital geometries ,specifically Newton's agenda
but it appears that Keplerian geometries,on account of the existence
of  those fragile rings may be due to a combination of planetary
heliocentric motion and the Sun's galactic orbital motion,in short,it
is the Sun's forward motion which produces the orbital geometries
rather than something intrisic to planetary heliopcentric motion.

It is a whole different ball game,you can't budge from your antiquated
jargon and I am certainly not going to try to change your grade school
views,too dull and dismal to be anything productive and besides,there
is an astrological core at the heart of all your pretensious nonsense.








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