Re: YES, mechanical perpetual motion generator based on the Coriolis effect is going to work (JP)

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From: Dan Bloomquist
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:08

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daestrom wrote:
> 
> "Dan Bloomquist" <public21@lakeweb.com> wrote in message 
> news:SZ0Bj.5702$Sa1.3110@news02.roc.ny...
>> daestrom wrote:
>>>
>>> If I understand your experiment, you align the shaft parallel to the 
>>> earth's at the north pole and then spin up the rotor (let's say same 
>>> direction as the earth for argument's sake).  The reaction force of 
>>> the spin motor will have slowed the earth a tiny amount.  But the 
>>> interesting part is if we push the top of the shaft to the right it 
>>> will precess away from us and we can use this to turn the rotor 
>>> upside down.  Now, by simply applying a small torque to the right of 
>>> the shaft, we have changed the direction of the rotor's momentum by 
>>> 180 degrees.
>>>
>>> If we can show that the torque impulse *does* impart 2Lrotor1 
>>> momentum to the planet, then your issue of spinning up / inverting 
>>> and braking the rotor is closed.
>>
>> I wish I had a gyro to test. As I recall, with one axis of freedom it 
>> takes an initial impulse to start the swing and an equal but opposite 
>> impulse to stop the movement. So, there is no net torque to account 
>> for the 'potential' phenomena. The precession torque to start and stop 
>> will be in the same direction but orthonormal to both the other torques!?
>>
> 
> I don't *think* it continues to swing from an initial impulse.  I think 
> it only swings as long as you apply a tiny force (which tries to precess 
> against the restraint and the reaction of the restraint causes it to 
> precess through another 90 degree angle and that is the direction you 
> happen to be pushing).

As I recall, no force at all. The gyro is completely broken from the 
ties of precession. And, the math says so. From what googling I've done, 
I can't find anything definitive. But I do love a mystery.

> But experimentation would solve the question.  If I could get a nice 
> gyro.....

Yes. All I could find on ebay are the over priced pot metal toys. My boy 
has a fab shop and machine tools. Maybe the next time I visit...

Best, Dan.

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