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Article #7916Re: YES, mechanical perpetual motion generator based on the Coriolis effect is going to work (JP)
From: Dan Bloomquist
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 02:38
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 02:38
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daestrom wrote: > > > But if we don't let it move north (constrained by the 'track'), then > whatever retarding force we are applying in the east-west direction is > translated to the north-south direction against the track. These forces > may increase friction in 'real' bearings, but let's assume 'ideal' > bearings so this addtional force against the shaft doesn't slow the spin > of the gyro. But, from what I understand, w does change as you alter the particle path of the rotor. > The force against the track in the north-south direction > moves through zero distance so no work there. But our retarding force > in the east-west direction is adjusted to allow the shaft to tilt west > at something less than one revolution per day so we have a force working > through an angular displacement and have work. There is a curious phenomena that if you force a gyroscope to move on a single axis, it will brake free, stop resisting the torque. I'd forgotten but now recall being there playing with a gyro. See: Captive (one degree of freedom) gyro http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/IYearLab/gyroscop.pdf But this seems to creates a contradiction to conservation of angular momentum. Spin up a gyro oriented to the poles which transfers momentum to the earth. Push it around on a single axis, broken free from torque, 180 degrees. Now brake the rotor and you have added even more angular momentum to the earth!?? What am I missing? Best, Dan.
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