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Article #7942Re: YES, mechanical perpetual motion generator based on the Coriolis effect is going to work (JP)
From: dkelvey
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:37
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:37
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On Mar 6, 2:37 pm, janpa...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mar 6, 7:51 pm, "dkel...@hotmail.com" <dkel...@hotmail.com> wrote: > ...> You'd still have to tie the flywheel to something outside > > the earth. > > ... > > This particular flywheel (that we discuss here) is already tied up to > the kind of substance which the Concept of Dipolar Gravity calls > "counter-matter" (for details see the totaliztic web page named > "dipolar_gravity.htm"). Thus the flywheel which has the axis of > rotation alligned appropriately (means maintains it parallel to the > axis of rotation of the Earth), is working in a different set of > coordinates than the Earth does. This is why such a flywheel remains > motionless, while the Earth rotates in its daily cycle. This is also > why such a flywheel looks as if it rotates in relation to the Earth. > After all, we already know the above behaviour from the action of the > Coriolis effect, as this behaviour represents the mechanism which > propells the the Coriolis effect. > > With the totaliztic salute, > Jan Pajak Hi What kind of junk are you reading ( dipolar_gravity.htm ). I will restate the problem. First, force without motion is not power. Second, a force applied to tha axis of an otherwise free flywheel will case a perpendicular motion ( not power, vectors are at 90 degrees ). This means your machine will need to restrict the motion of the flywheel to some angle like 45 degrees between the force and free motion. At this angle, over time, the flywheel will precess until it is exactly aligned with the polar axis. Third, at this time, the rotation of the earth will no longer effect the flywheel. End of game. Fourth, there has been nothing ever shown to prove that conservation of momentum has ever, ever been violated. You need to work with reality. Anyone can publish a bunch of junk science on the web. Fifth, Coriolis effect has been completely described with Newtonian mechanics and does not in any way shape or form violate the laws of conservation of momentum. It doesn't need any special outside junk like dipolar_gravity to understand it. Why pull this junk in when it is completely predicable with known science. Coriolis is simple inertia. Always was and always will be. I believe the statement, " an object in motion tends to stay in motion" is enough to show why we have the Coriolis effect. It also explains Foucault's pendulum. These have been explained to you several times and all you can use to justify that you are right is some junk science that has nothing to do with real observed effects. This is why I asked you to run some experiments with simple setups that don't require things like the entire earth. You can easily create a rotation frame of reference with simple junk parts( swivel chair ). You can easily create a nice flywheel from an old bicycle wheel. You can then easily prove to yourself that it won't work. You don't have to depend on anything from junk web pages. You can use real world experiments! I have told you why it won't work and I've proposed experiments you can run yourself to show you why it doesn't work. I've run similar experiments many years ago in science class so I know how they work. I can see that you really want this to work but I can only show you how to think, I can't make you actually think. The laws of motion and inertia haven't changed since man has been looking at things. If someone tells you different, they are either liars or mistaken( most seem to be liars ). Dwight
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