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Article #8014Re: What happens when solar power is cheaper than grid power?
From: Clocky
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:01
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:01
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Brad Guth wrote: > On Jul 12, 3:45 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jul 12, 6:50 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 12/07/2012 6:04 PM, Graham Cooper wrote: >> >>>>>> "The H2 engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust! It's clean!" >> >>>>> True statement! >> >>>>> As I said.. even it was an issue, it just raises the question >>>>> whether it is necessary to supply O2 Tanks on top of H2. >> >>>>> Herc >> >>>> I think Rotary Engines are more suitable for H2, I heard the fuel >>>> intake is separate to the combustion section so it can handle >>>> higher temperatures. >> >>>> but H2 is the Hard Problem! It's not TOO HARD - 2H. It's H2! :o| >> >>>> ***** >> >>>> The Easy Problem is 80% of car usage is <50km at 60km/hour with one >>>> person load. >> >>>> If people had short range city cars (ELECTRIC) and H2 for the >>>> highway and towing, then Electric is ideal for a city environment! >> >>>> The problem is "competition", the govt. has to level the field. >>>> When Volvo brought out cars 30% heavier than the norm they fared >>>> better in front on crashes! 10G impact if it slows you down, the >>>> smaller car suffers 30G impact going from forward to backward in >>>> the same time frame. >> >>>> With specialised cars for short range in cities, and H2 for >>>> highways, you could abandon the 1 tonne 4WD style for Electrics, >>>> go for a Dune Buggy style with a compact perspex shell. Keeps >>>> pollution out of the city too! >> >>> Yes, keeps it firmly where it belongs - either around the coal-fired >>> power stations used to generate the electricity for electrolysis, or >>> around the steam reformation plants. >> >>> Sylvia. >> >> electricity for electrolysis is not a 24 hour application. >> >> You need to get some sun. >> >> Herc > > William Mook had that one nicely covered as of a decade ago, and not > hardly a soul in Usenet/newsgroups ever cared, other than to topic/ > author stalk and bash his ideas into the ground. Perhaps it was the > all-knowing mindset of Mook that made his proposed use of his solar > derived hydrogen sound a bit too good to be true, although his > creating of relatively cheap hydrogen and oxygen from water and solar > energy (even at twice his proposed cost) wasn't any ruse or spoof, and > that hydrogen as used in a fuel-cell can produce 60% efficiency with > as near to zero environmental impact as energy gets. > > Relatively low cost hydrogen is certainly not a problem. > > The problem is with the closed mindset of most individuals and that of > government and Big Energy that wants absolutely nothing to do with any > of it unless it's only provided by their Oligarch Rothschild cartel. > Steven Chu wasn't of any help either. > > I happen to prefer the mobile use or application of HTP along with the > high quality of liquid synfuel hydrocarbons derived from Mokenergy > coal, as a dual-fuel method of providing terrific energy density from > a very small internal combustion engine that could power any full > sized hybrid car, truck or bus of any size without those energy or > operational range limitations of conventional hybrids. A hydrogen > peroxide battery is also a terrific application of solar energy > derived HP, and Mook's clean synfuel from coal via his hydrogen from > solar energy, was yet another terrific win-win for all of us. > Uhuh...
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Subject: Re: What happens when solar power is cheaper than grid power?
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