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Re: What happens when solar power is cheaper than grid power?

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From: Graham Cooper
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:16
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On Jul 13, 2:58 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com>:
>
>
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> >On Jul 12, 5:16 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:18:32 -0700 (PDT), the following
> >> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
> >> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com>:
>
> >> >On Jul 11, 10:18 am, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> On 11/07/2012 6:26 AM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>
> >> >> > On Jul 11, 2:42 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:43:55 -0700 (PDT), the following
> >> >> >> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
> >> >> >> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com>:
>
> >> >> >>> On Jul 10, 12:04 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> >> >>>> In sci.physics Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>> On 10/07/2012 1:36 AM, Graham Cooper wrote:
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> >> >> >>>>>> The H2 engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust!  It's clean!
>
> >> >> >>>>> An H2 burning air breathing internal combustion engine gives of oxides
> >> >> >>>>> of nitrgoen.
>
> >> >> >>>>> Sylvia.
>
> >> >> >>>> And LOTS of them due to the flame temperatures.
>
> >> >> >>> not mentioned in Wikipedia.
>
> >> >> >> So? Learn a bit of chemistry; Wiki isn't a comprehensive
> >> >> >> source.
>
> >> >> > What is the Toxicity of the Nitrous compounds.  It's a secondary
> >> >> > reaction not even worth a mention in the list of hurdles.
>
> >> >> Perhaps it's not, but an engine that emits oxides of nitrogen cannot
> >> >> reasobably be called clean, which is what you did.
> >> >Ohhh sorrrrry chops..   here pull my finger!
>
> >> Why, do you want to emit sulfur dioxide? Anyway, nice
> >> tapdance around the fact that your claim was refuted.
> >What claim?  exactly.
>
> ADD getting you down? It's right there at the top: "The H2
> engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust!  It's clean!"
> Although the first sentence is correct (but would also be
> correct for any existing IC engine, since one of the exhaust
> components resulting from burning hydrocarbons is water,
> making it irrelevant), the second is not, since NOx isn't
> "clean" by anyone's definition.
>
> >Your claim is not even listed in Wikipedia as a hurdle.
>
> Missed that part about Wiki not being a comprehensive
> source, did you? ADD again? Or did you actually mean
> "relatively clean" and just got carried away by the wonder
> of it all?

How do you get Nitrates from H2 and O2?

Herc
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From: Graham Cooper <grahamcooper7@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: What happens when solar power is cheaper than grid power?
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