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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:16:12 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
<grahamcooper7@gmail.com>:

>On Jul 13, 2:58�am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
>> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jul 12, 5:16�am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:18:32 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> >> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
>> >> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> >> >On Jul 11, 10:18�am, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> On 11/07/2012 6:26 AM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > On Jul 11, 2:42 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:43:55 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> >> >> >> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
>> >> >> >> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> >> >> >>> On Jul 10, 12:04 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> In sci.physics Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>> On 10/07/2012 1:36 AM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> The H2 engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust! �It's clean!
>>
>> >> >> >>>>> An H2 burning air breathing internal combustion engine gives of oxides
>> >> >> >>>>> of nitrgoen.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> And LOTS of them due to the flame temperatures.
>>
>> >> >> >>> not mentioned in Wikipedia.
>>
>> >> >> >> So? Learn a bit of chemistry; Wiki isn't a comprehensive
>> >> >> >> source.
>>
>> >> >> > What is the Toxicity of the Nitrous compounds. �It's a secondary
>> >> >> > reaction not even worth a mention in the list of hurdles.
>>
>> >> >> Perhaps it's not, but an engine that emits oxides of nitrogen cannot
>> >> >> reasobably be called clean, which is what you did.
>> >> >Ohhh sorrrrry chops.. � here pull my finger!
>>
>> >> Why, do you want to emit sulfur dioxide? Anyway, nice
>> >> tapdance around the fact that your claim was refuted.
>> >What claim? �exactly.
>>
>> ADD getting you down? It's right there at the top: "The H2
>> engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust! �It's clean!"
>> Although the first sentence is correct (but would also be
>> correct for any existing IC engine, since one of the exhaust
>> components resulting from burning hydrocarbons is water,
>> making it irrelevant), the second is not, since NOx isn't
>> "clean" by anyone's definition.
>>
>> >Your claim is not even listed in Wikipedia as a hurdle.
>>
>> Missed that part about Wiki not being a comprehensive
>> source, did you? ADD again? Or did you actually mean
>> "relatively clean" and just got carried away by the wonder
>> of it all?
>
>How do you get Nitrates from H2 and O2?

Actually, "oxides of nitrogen". From Sylvia's comment at the
top of this post:

"An H2 burning air breathing internal combustion engine
gives of oxides of nitrogen." (Well, "nitrgoen", but we all
get our fnigers out of sync occasionally.)

Nitrogen makes up 80% of air, and the flame temperatures
associated with burning H2 in air guarantee that NOx will
form.

Any more attempts to evade the issue that air-breathing H2
engines are *not* clean?
-- 

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
                          - McNameless