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Re: What happens when solar power is cheaper than grid power?

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From: Brad Guth
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:42
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On Jul 12, 3:45 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 6:50 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
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> > On 12/07/2012 6:04 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:
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> > >>> "The H2 engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust!  It's clean!"
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> > >> True statement!
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> > >> As I said.. even it was an issue, it just raises the question whether
> > >> it is necessary to supply O2 Tanks on top of H2.
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> > > I think Rotary Engines are more suitable for H2, I heard the fuel
> > > intake is separate to the combustion section so it can handle higher
> > > temperatures.
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> > > but H2 is the Hard Problem!  It's not TOO HARD - 2H.  It's H2!   :o|
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> > > The Easy Problem is 80% of car usage is <50km at 60km/hour with one
> > > person load.
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> > > If people had short range city cars (ELECTRIC) and H2 for the highway
> > > and towing, then Electric is ideal for a city environment!
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> > > The problem is "competition", the govt. has to level the field.  When
> > > Volvo brought out cars 30% heavier than the norm they fared better in
> > > front on crashes!  10G impact if it slows you down, the smaller car
> > > suffers 30G impact going from forward to backward in the same time
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> > > With specialised cars for short range in cities, and H2 for highways,
> > > you could abandon the 1 tonne 4WD style for Electrics, go for a Dune
> > > Buggy style with a compact perspex shell.   Keeps pollution out of the
> > > city too!
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> > Yes, keeps it firmly where it belongs - either around the coal-fired
> > power stations used to generate the electricity for electrolysis, or
> > around the steam reformation plants.
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> electricity for electrolysis is not a 24 hour application.
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> You need to get some sun.
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> Herc

William Mook had that one nicely covered as of a decade ago, and not
hardly a soul in Usenet/newsgroups ever cared, other than to topic/
author stalk and bash his ideas into the ground.  Perhaps it was the
all-knowing mindset of Mook that made his proposed use of his solar
derived hydrogen sound a bit too good to be true, although his
creating of relatively cheap hydrogen and oxygen from water and solar
energy (even at twice his proposed cost) wasn't any ruse or spoof, and
that hydrogen as used in a fuel-cell can produce 60% efficiency with
as near to zero environmental impact as energy gets.

Relatively low cost hydrogen is certainly not a problem.

The problem is with the closed mindset of most individuals and that of
government and Big Energy that wants absolutely nothing to do with any
of it unless it's only provided by their Oligarch Rothschild cartel.
Steven Chu wasn't of any help either.

I happen to prefer the mobile use or application of HTP along with the
high quality of liquid synfuel hydrocarbons derived from Mokenergy
coal, as a dual-fuel method of providing terrific energy density from
a very small internal combustion engine that could power any full
sized hybrid car, truck or bus of any size without those energy or
operational range limitations of conventional hybrids.  A hydrogen
peroxide battery is also a terrific application of solar energy
derived HP, and Mook's clean synfuel from coal via his hydrogen from
solar energy, was yet another terrific win-win for all of us.

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