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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:05:47 -0700, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:16:12 -0700 (PDT), the following
>appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
><grahamcooper7@gmail.com>:
>
>>On Jul 13, 2:58�am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT), the following
>>> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
>>> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >On Jul 12, 5:16�am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:18:32 -0700 (PDT), the following
>>> >> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
>>> >> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> >> >On Jul 11, 10:18�am, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>>> >> >> On 11/07/2012 6:26 AM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> > On Jul 11, 2:42 am, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:43:55 -0700 (PDT), the following
>>> >> >> >> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Graham Cooper
>>> >> >> >> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> On Jul 10, 12:04 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>> In sci.physics Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> >>>>> On 10/07/2012 1:36 AM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> >>>>>> The H2 engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust! �It's clean!
>>>
>>> >> >> >>>>> An H2 burning air breathing internal combustion engine gives of oxides
>>> >> >> >>>>> of nitrgoen.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>>> And LOTS of them due to the flame temperatures.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> not mentioned in Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> So? Learn a bit of chemistry; Wiki isn't a comprehensive
>>> >> >> >> source.
>>>
>>> >> >> > What is the Toxicity of the Nitrous compounds. �It's a secondary
>>> >> >> > reaction not even worth a mention in the list of hurdles.
>>>
>>> >> >> Perhaps it's not, but an engine that emits oxides of nitrogen cannot
>>> >> >> reasobably be called clean, which is what you did.
>>> >> >Ohhh sorrrrry chops.. � here pull my finger!
>>>
>>> >> Why, do you want to emit sulfur dioxide? Anyway, nice
>>> >> tapdance around the fact that your claim was refuted.
>>> >What claim? �exactly.
>>>
>>> ADD getting you down? It's right there at the top: "The H2
>>> engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust! �It's clean!"
>>> Although the first sentence is correct (but would also be
>>> correct for any existing IC engine, since one of the exhaust
>>> components resulting from burning hydrocarbons is water,
>>> making it irrelevant), the second is not, since NOx isn't
>>> "clean" by anyone's definition.
>>>
>>> >Your claim is not even listed in Wikipedia as a hurdle.
>>>
>>> Missed that part about Wiki not being a comprehensive
>>> source, did you? ADD again? Or did you actually mean
>>> "relatively clean" and just got carried away by the wonder
>>> of it all?
>>
>>How do you get Nitrates from H2 and O2?
>
>Actually, "oxides of nitrogen". From Sylvia's comment at the
>top of this post:
>
>"An H2 burning air breathing internal combustion engine
>gives of oxides of nitrogen." (Well, "nitrgoen", but we all
>get our fnigers out of sync occasionally.)
>
>Nitrogen makes up 80% of air, and the flame temperatures
>associated with burning H2 in air guarantee that NOx will
>form.
>
>Any more attempts to evade the issue that air-breathing H2
>engines are *not* clean?

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