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Article #8104Re: Who remembers this guy?
From: laurence
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:48
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:48
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On Aug 21, 4:00 pm, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk" <Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I really am most grateful for that, as I had no idea that any ofLaurence'scelebrated aphorisms had been > preserved for future generations to enjoy. I do hope that I, as the plaintiff in both actions, may be able to shed some light on the foregoing discussions about Godfrey v. Demon (I and II). I have seen over the years several misrepresentations of the second of the two interlocutory judgments of Mr Justice Morland in the Demon action, in which the subject of that case was a forged message published via the internet purportedly written by me but in fact written by someone else. Having struck out the very core of Demon's defence in his first judgment, Morland J considered a further application by the Defendant (Demon) to amend its defence to include a large number of extracts from other internet postings that the Defendant sought to claim were my words. I emphasise that the Defendant merely alleged that these words were mine. The learned judge himself also makes this perfectly clear in his judgment by listing all the material in question under the headings "postings allegedly made by the Plaintiff ..." Those words that the learned judge described as being provocative were words merely alleged by the Defendant to have been posted by me. At that time I had had no opportunity to admit or deny these allegations, since they were made by way of proposed amendments to the defence. However, in the event these allegations were not proven and at the conclusion of the case an agreed statement was made in open court in which it was stated (inter alia): "Demon is also here today ... to apologise to Dr Godfrey for not removing the postings from its servers and for alleging in his defence that Dr Godfrey had deliberately provoked them, a contention which it now withdraws". I commented on the record at the time: "I am very glad that Demon have finally apologised for and withdrawn the misconceived claim that I provoked the libellous postings. The provocation allegation was nothing but a costly red herring. Some of the statements attributed to me, including the very words which were alleged to have provoked the first libel, were not mine at all." If it helps, I have included below a summary that I wrote with the help of my lawyers at the time of the settlement. Also attached is a copy of the statement made in open court. Laurence Godfrey DEMON ADMITS DEFEAT IN INTERNET LIBEL ACTIONS - 30 March 2000 In a dramatic last-minute collapse, it was announced today that Demon Internet Limited have agreed to pay Laurence Godfrey a sum estimated to be a quarter of a million pounds in costs and damages in two libel actions brought by Dr. Godfrey. Demon are also liable for their own legal costs estimated at several hundred thousand pounds. The trial of the first of the two actions was due to begin on Monday 3rd April. The case would have been the first major contested Internet libel trial to come to the High Court in England. In a ruling last year, Mr Justice Morland held in effect that ISPs could not ignore requests for removal by the victims of defamatory Usenet postings. Despite this, Demon continued to fight these cases virtually to the door of the court. Demon, an Internet service provider now owned by Thus plc.(formerly Scottish Telecom), provide its customers with access to Usenet newsgroups via its news servers. Dr. Godfrey, an English physicist, brought the first of these two cases over a 1997 Usenet message which was forged so as to appear to have been written by him. The second case was concerned with a libellous message posted by one of Demon's own customers in 1998. In an agreed statement made in the High Court today, Demon apologised to Dr. Godfrey for not removing the defamatory postings from its news servers. Demon also apologised to Dr. Godfrey for the injury and distress they had caused him. Demon further apologised for wrongly alleging in its defence that Dr. Godfrey had deliberately provoked the libellous postings. Demon consented to a court order by which it is to pay Dr. Godfrey £15,000 damages and his legal costs in both libel actions (estimated at £230,000). Dr. Godfrey said after today's announcement: "I am delighted with the result. It is sad that it has taken more than 3 years of sustained effort to redress a wrong that could so easily have been avoided by Demon and to extract an apology from them." Nick Braithwaite, Dr Godfrey's solicitor said: "This was a David and Goliath case which Goliath could never hope to win. It has established a firm precedent that ISPs can be publishers in English libel law, and the scale of damages extracted demonstrates the capacity of the Internet to blight a person's reputation." The cost to Demon of defending both actions is likely to be in the region of half a million pounds most of it in the first action. There never was any realistic defence to either action and, as Demon confirm in today's statement, they have never sought to suggest that there was any truth in either of the libels. Dr Godfrey said today: "If Demon had taken the simple steps that I had asked of them at the outset, this monumental waste of money could have been avoided. Demon have established a precedent which they claim has adversely affected the ISP industry. All that they have to show for their efforts is a bill for about half a million pounds, defeat at the hands of a physicist with limited resources and a large dose of humble pie." Concerning Demon's claim that Dr Godfrey provoked the libellous postings in question, Dr. Godfrey commented: "I am very glad that Demon have finally apologised for and withdrawn the misconceived claim that I provoked the libellous postings. The provocation allegation was nothing but a costly red herring. Some of the statements attributed to me, including the very words which were alleged to have provoked the first libel, were not mine at all." Finally Dr. Godfrey commented: "While I started these actions on my own, I owe my success to the dedication and skill of my legal advisers; to my wife and friends who have supported me throughout; and to the kindness and generosity of those who agreed to be witnesses. I am glad to have been vindicated in bringing these actions and in my reputation." BACKGROUND In relation to the first libel action, Dr. Godfrey sent several faxes to Demon asking them to remove the forged posting from their news servers, but although the faxes were received by Demon they did not remove the posting. Shortly afterwards, a letter sent by Dr. Godfrey's solicitor was also unanswered. Said Dr. Godfrey: "I came to discover, as a result of my researches of comments made in newsgroup postings and elsewhere by Demon's staff, that I had been a victim of Demon's policy of not removing defamatory material from its news servers in response to complaints". When, more than two years later, a news article in ZDNet News (Fri, 11 Jun 1999, by Jane Wakefield) reported: "David Furniss, Demon's managing director ... concedes there 'may have been a possibility of an administrative error on our part that caused a delay in the postings being removed'", Dr. Godfrey was surprised at this, having by then also found several examples of Demon's failure to respond to complaints about defamatory postings by other people. In a later article in ZDNet News (Fri, 9 Jul 1999), Jane Wakefield wrote: "..managing director David Furniss' comments on ZDNet News that the defamatory postings in the Godfrey case may have remained on its server due to an "administrative error". The ISP's defence was turning to debacle...". Dr. Godfrey commented: On the one hand, defamatory postings were not removed by Demon as a matter of policy, but in my case apparently three faxes and a letter were ignored as the result of 'administrative error'". When Dr. Godfrey, who at the start of his first action was acting in person, issued libel proceedings a year after Demon failed to remove the defamatory posting, Demon vigorously defended the action. While Dr. Godfrey had made it clear that he only sought small damages, Demon continued to pour money into defending the first action even as their prospects of success dwindled. Demon initially pleaded in the first action that it was not a publisher; that its role in publication was passive; that it had no duty to remove a defamatory posting from its news servers once notified; and that it had a defence under section 1 of the Defamation Act 1996. (Section 1 of the Defamation Act 1996 gives ISPs and others a defence where they were not at fault in disseminating a libellous article). In March 1999, a court ruling showed that all these assertions were entirely wrong. Dr. Godfrey, by then represented by Nick Braithwaite of solicitors Bindman and Partners and libel barrister Mr. Justin Rushbrooke, succeeded in striking out the relevant portions of Demon's defence. In a landmark judgment in the High Court on 26 March 1999, Mr. Justice Morland ruled that Demon were publishers at common law and that Demon's defence under s.1 of the Defamation Act 1996 was "in law hopeless". In the course of that hearing, Demon's counsel Mr. Manuel Barca went to some lengths to distinguish for the judge between the way Demon treated defamatory postings originating from its own customers and those which originated from elsewhere (as in the first action): "The originator of the message [in the first action] is not a customer or user of [a Demon] account...." "Demon accepts responsibility for what its customers do and even...for what people who are not necessarily its customers but are using its customers' accounts are doing" "..anyone using Demon to gain access to the Internet, Demon accepts that it has a controlling responsibility for." Yet, the second action (the writ for which had not at that time been issued) was in respect of a defamatory posting by a Demon customer which appeared just 7 months beforehand. Despite Mr. Barca's submissions to the contrary, in that case (just as in the first case) Dr. Godfrey's requests to Demon to remove the defamatory posting were not complied with. Immediately after the March 1999 judgment, Demon issued a press release saying that it would appeal the decision of Mr. Justice Morland in the interests of freedom of expression on the Internet. It continued to maintain this posture until, finally, the time to appeal expired in June 1999. Even after it was out of time, Demon insisted that it could still appeal: "David Furniss, Demon's managing director...told ZDNet [on 10 June 1999] ..that Demon may still go ahead with the appeal." (11 Jun 1999, ZDNet News, by Jane Wakefield). Demon never did lodge an appeal. Once the core of Demon's defence had been struck out in the first case, there appeared to be no reasonable prospect of Demon winning. Despite this, Demon sought and obtained leave to amend their defence in the first action (which they later adopted in the second action) so as to allege that Dr. Godfrey had deliberately provoked the defamatory posting. Today, almost a year later, Demon have finally acknowledged that these allegations were wrong: "Demon is here today ... to apologise to Dr. Godfrey for not removing the postings from its servers and for alleging in its defence that Dr. Godfrey had deliberately provoked them, a contention which it now withdraws". As a result of Demon's amendment, Dr. Godfrey was forced to obtain statements from a large number of witnesses in England and abroad and a huge number of documents. The amendment, which never had any real prospect of success, greatly increased the costs of both parties: costs for which Demon are now almost wholly liable. Demon's provocation amendment did nothing to advance its case, because it could not demonstrate any connection between Dr. Godfrey's statements and the libels in either of the actions. However, the amended pleading did cause further damage to Dr. Godfrey's reputation, particularly as Demon issued a press release that encouraged readers to view the second judgment of Mr. Justice Morland, which contained words wrongly attributed to Dr. Godfrey, by means of a sensational and misleading warning that the judgement contained "adult-oriented material that some people may find offensive". In a further press release dated 11th June 1999 Demon incorrectly implied that Mr. Justice Morland had found as a fact that Dr Godfrey's conduct was provocative. With still no prospect of winning the first action (the second not having yet been issued), Demon said: "We have in no way changed our stance, and are extremely confident of winning the case against Dr Laurence Godfrey" (11 June 1999). While wrongly alleging provocation and boasting about its prospects of success, Demon described Dr. Godfrey's claim in the first action as "scurrilous", "unsubstantiated" and "unjustified", and asserted that he was threatening the "entire ethos of freedom of speech on the Internet". In particular, Demon claimed to be champions of free speech: "Demon Internet continues its campaign in the interests of Internet users to ensure freedom of speech. It has not conceded in the court case brought by Laurence Godfrey and is committed to fight this and any such action". In June 1999 Dr. Godfrey discovered that, far from being champions of Internet free speech, Demon had itself successfully sued for libel over Usenet postings in 1996 (17 months before Dr. Godfrey issued his first action). The author, a former Demon employee, was served with a writ issued after he had publicly apologised for his comments. Demon and Mr. Stanford (the co-plaintiff and former managing director of Demon) obtained a default judgment for libel and an injunction against the author. Also in June 1999, copies of letters containing Dr. Godfrey's home address and telephone number were sent by Demon to several of their customers who had had their Usenet posting access barred by Demon because they had posted links to a copy of the libellous posting in the first action. As a result of Demon's letters, within hours Dr. Godfrey's personal details were re-published in various places on Usenet and the web and the safety of Dr. Godfrey's wife and child, as well as his own safety, was compromised. At the same time, Demon sent to those customers a copy of the libellous posting in the first action, despite Mr. Justice Morland having only recently agreed to Dr. Godfrey's request to omit the libellous words from his second judgement in order to avoid their unnecessary dissemination. When, in June 1999, Dr Godfrey made a formal offer to accept damages of £2,500 in the first case, Demon rejected the offer and announced a few days after the offer was made: "Demon Internet continues to fight the case, and is confident of winning it" (5 July 1999). Dr. Godfrey then instructed a leading libel barrister, Mr. Gordon Bishop, to present his case at the trial . Until 3 weeks ago, Demon took the position that Dr. Godfrey was not entitled to any damages at all. Again, Demon were entirely wrong. Of the £15,000 damages now to be paid to Dr. Godfrey, £5,000 is damages in the first action. Since rejecting Dr. Godfrey's offer of £2,500, Demon have succeeded in doubling their damages bill in that action at a price of several hundred thousand pounds of additional costs (incurred by both parties) in the 8 months leading to trial. In the second action, in which Dr. Godfrey was in person throughout, the defamatory posting originated from a Demon news server and was made by a Demon customer whose postings had previously been the subject of numerous complaints to Demon, from persons other than Dr Godfrey. In this case Dr. Godfrey claimed that Demon had failed to take reasonable care in respect of that customer and were therefore liable for publication from the outset (rather than once notified, as in the first case) and therefore also for publication to persons in England and Wales and elsewhere (rather than just readers of Demon's news servers as in the first case). Three weeks ago Demon made an offer to settle this action by paying the sum of £5 into court in respect of Dr. Godfrey's damages, which was not accepted. Today's settlement included a sum of £10,000 for damages in the second action, Despite briefing a leading libel QC and making an eleventh hour application, served only hours before the hearing, to bring forward the trial of the second action by about 8 months, in the end Demon was unable to break Dr. Godfrey's resolve and appears to have had no choice but to settle both actions, agreeing to pay damages and Dr. Godfrey's costs and to a statement being made in open court. Demon confirm that they have now changed their procedures for dealing with libellous messages. They insist that the law needed clarifying and indeed Dr. Godfrey's actions have done just that. However, the law has been clarified to be exactly as Dr. Godfrey understood it to be at the outset and exactly as his legal advisers advised him. STATEMENT IN OPEN COURT (30 March 2000) Counsel for the Claimant (Gordon Bishop) My Lord, in this action for libel I appear on behalf of the Claimant, Dr Laurence Godfrey. The Defendant, Demon Internet Limited, is represented by my learned friend Mr Daniel Gosland. Dr Godfrey is a physicist who has lectured in physics, mathematics and computer science and conducted research in nuclear physics at various academic institutions throughout the world. Demon is an Internet Service Provider, now owned by Thus plc. At the beginning of 1997 Demon was the largest English ISP having some 90,000 subscribers. One of the Internet services it provides is access via its news servers to Usenet newsgroups. One of those newsgroups is called "soc.culture.thai", a discussion group for those interested in the political and social affairs of Thailand. On 12 January 1997 a posting appeared on the soc.culture.thai newsgroup, as carried by the Demon news servers, which purported to have been made by Dr Godfrey, but was in fact a forgery. It was squalid, obscene and defamatory of Dr Godfrey. Not surprisingly he took strong exception to it and made strenuous efforts to have it removed, including sending several faxes to Demon asking them to remove it from their news servers. Regrettably Demon did nothing about the posting with the result that it remained on Demon's news servers until its expiry on about 27 January 1997. A letter of complaint sent a few days later by Dr Godfrey's solicitor was also unanswered. Consequently, Dr Godfrey commenced proceedings against Demon. In July of the following year another posting, this time originating from one of Demon's own customers, made further defamatory allegations about Dr Godfrey. That posting appeared in the uk.legal newsgroup, which has a much wider readership in this country than soc.culture.thai. Once again, Dr Godfrey's requests for removal were not complied with by Demon and he felt compelled to bring a second action in respect of that posting. My Lord, Demon has never sought to suggest that there was any truth in either of these libels but contended that it was not responsible or liable for their publication and was not under any duty to remove them from its news servers. The legal position has now been clarified during the course of this case, and this has resulted in Demon and its new owners changing their procedures. Demon has now agreed to pay Dr Godfrey damages together with his legal costs in respect of both actions and Dr Godfrey is satisfied that this payment will afford proper recompense for the injury and distress that he has suffered. Demon is also here today by its solicitor to apologise to Dr Godfrey for not removing the postings from its servers and for alleging in its defence that Dr Godfrey had deliberately provoked them, a contention which it now withdraws. In those circumstances Dr Godfrey is content to take matters no further and I am happy to inform your Lordship that the parties have resolved all their differences. Solicitor for the Defendant (Mr Daniel Gosland) My Lord, on behalf of the Defendant I accept all that my learned friend has said. Demon regrets that it did not remove the postings when it was notified of their defamatory content by Dr Godfrey and is happy to take this opportunity to apologise to him for the injury and distress he has been caused. Counsel for the Claimant My Lord, all that remains is for me to ask for permission to withdraw the record.
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X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d2400ea6f8f96e68 X-Google-Thread: 111001,d2400ea6f8f96e68 X-Google-Thread: 102c27,d2400ea6f8f96e68 X-Google-Thread: f6783,d2400ea6f8f96e68 X-Google-Thread: 114a4e,d2400ea6f8f96e68 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid111001,gid102c27,gidf6783,gid114a4e,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: laurence@godfreynet.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.physics,nz.politics,aus.legal,uk.legal,nz.general Subject: Re: Who remembers this guy? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:48:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 387 Message-ID: <1187790501.512290.27350@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <5itk8lF3qug0fU1@mid.individual.net> <1187621299.514324.177860@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <5itp95F3rj3rrU1@mid.individual.net> <1187642828.089981.294520@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <1187670407.986262.138820@q4g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <1187689658.633717.158450@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <1187691037.006415.80980@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <1187693404.036608.193440@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <1187697255.058682.201790@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <p4olc31joir25267tiav2j6quhbqk8oq2r@4ax.com> <1187705378.039780.275170@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <5j0b0rF3qc2ogU1@mid.individual.net> <1187708454.454339.225470@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.240.106.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1187790502 7066 127.0.0.1 (22 Aug 2007 13:48:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:48:22 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1187708454.454339.225470@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.240.106.239; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0