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On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:00:17 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com>
wrote:


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>Nice apologia
>    Doesn't change a bit that since they can't account for the source and 
>destination of all that energy, they have a problem with supporting their 
>claim.
>

The principle claim was "Global warming is still happening" made at a
time when surface temperature was temporarily decreasing.

That claim could have been supported by accounting for the source and
destination of energy and a hypothesis was made that energy was being
absorbed at ocean depths greater than 900 m.

However, the claim can also be supported by simply showing that global
mean surface temperature has an upward trend line, in spite of
temporary downward fluctuations. 

The following shows that this is the case:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Global Mean Temp.jpg


Also, consistent with the above.

- Global mean troposphere temperature has an upward trend line
http://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/0710_graf.jpg?w=500&h=183

 - Arctic sea ice extent has a downward trend line
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/n_plot_hires.png

 - Antarctic mass has a downward trend line
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20100108_Is_Antarctica_Melting.html

 - Global sea level continues to rise
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/current/sl_ib_ns_global.jpg 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Recent_Sea_Level_Rise.png

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>In other words, they're saying:
>    -    We don't know what's happening.
Not the full details. But the general picture is known.

>    -    We have no handle on the data
There is lots of data that show that global warming is real.
You should at least look at the links above.

>    -    We don't even have a computer model that works properly
There are many computer models and they appear to work as well as
expected.

>    -    But we know that our conclusions are good.
Basic physics predicts warming, computer models predict warming and
the temperature data shows warming.

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>That's NOT the way science is supposed to work 
>

Science works by making and testing hypthesises and theories. That
seems to be happening.