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Article #8198Re: Who's 'In Climate Denial, Again'? The New York Times
From: Androcles
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:23
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:23
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"Surfer" <no@spam.net> wrote in message news:pl8pc696omq07c1btce8jagl676cjr4d1j@4ax.com... | On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:01:46 +1100, Oy rool out a carbon tax | <gillard_lies@nowhere.com> wrote: | | >Surfer wrote: | >> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:05:39 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com> | >> wrote: | >> | >>>> That the surface of the Earth has warmed over the last several | >>>> decades is a fact supported by many independent sources . . . | >>>> | >>> Unfortunately, there is NO GOOD EVIDENCE that the warming was caused by | >>> humans. | >>> | >> I expect it will be difficult to prove that beyond doubt. However, | >> many years ago increasing levels of CO2 were predicted to cause | >> warming, and since then warming has occurred and is continuing to | >> occur. | > | >The AGWers were initially blessed with the fortune of increasing | >temperatures to support (not prove) their hypothesis. Since that time | >they have been at great pains to cling to their mantra, as temperatures | >fail to follow the cataclysmic trajectory their "science" predicts. | > | | On the contrary: | | - Arctic sea ice extent has continued to decrease | http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/n_plot_hires.png | | - Antarctic mass continues to decrease | http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20100108_Is_Antarctica_Melting.html | | - Global sea level has continued to rise | http://sealevel.colorado.edu/current/sl_ib_ns_global.jpg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Recent_Sea_Level_Rise.png | | -Troposphere temperature remains consistent with an upward trend line | http://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/0710_graf.jpg?w=500&h=183 | | | In Addition: | | -- The global ground weather station network shows warming: | | These data are from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies | http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ | http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt | The yearly means of these data are graphed here: | http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Global%20Mean%20Temp.jpg | | These data come from the UK's Hadley Centre: | http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/ | http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt | The yearly means of these data are graphed here: | http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg | | -- The Sea Surface Temperature continues to rise | | Here, from Hadley Centre, are the global sea surface | temperatures from 1850 to 2009. Please see: | http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/ | http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadsst2gl.txt | The yearly means of these data are graphed here: | http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg | | -- Two balloon records show this same surface level warming: | http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ratpac/index.php | http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ratpac/index.php?name=3Dratpac-a | | The data are found in the "year" and "surf" columns of the "GLOBE" | section of this file: | http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ratpac/ratpac-a/RATPAC-A-annual-levels.txt | | These very robust global yearly mean ground data are graphed here: | http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RATPAC-A-Balloon.jpg | | http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/temp/angell/angell.html | http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/ftp/trends/temp/angell/global.dat | | These global yearly mean ground data are graphed here: | http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Angell-Balloon.jpg | | -- The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, | shows that the air near the surface is warming too. | | For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements | | The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the | University of Alabama at Huntsville. | http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.3 | The global data are graphed here: | http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg | | The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed here: | http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg | | -- The glacier retreat record: | http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2009/3046/ | http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html | http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/pd/climate/factsheets/isamount.pdf | | -- The bore hole records: | http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/huang.html | http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/pollack.html | | My bathroom tap leaks, I need to call a plumber. Obviously it was caused by CO2. Here's the proof: These data come from the UK's Hadley Centre: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/ http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt The yearly means of these data are graphed here: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg -- The Sea Surface Temperature continues to rise Here, from Hadley Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from 1850 to 2009. Please see: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/ http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadsst2gl.txt The yearly means of these data are graphed here: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg -- Two balloon records show this same surface level warming: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ratpac/index.php http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ratpac/index.php?name=3Dratpac-a The data are found in the "year" and "surf" columns of the "GLOBE" section of this file: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ratpac/ratpac-a/RATPAC-A-annual-levels.txt These very robust global yearly mean ground data are graphed here: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RATPAC-A-Balloon.jpg http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/temp/angell/angell.html http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/ftp/trends/temp/angell/global.dat These global yearly mean ground data are graphed here: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Angell-Balloon.jpg -- The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming too. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.3 The global data are graphed here: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed here: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg -- The glacier retreat record: http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2009/3046/ http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/pd/climate/factsheets/isamount.pdf -- The bore hole records: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/huang.html http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/pollack.html Who will pay my plumber, you cretin?
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