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"Surfer" <no@spam.net> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:05:39 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> That the surface of the Earth has warmed over the last several
>>> decades is a fact supported by many independent sources . . .
>>>
>>
>>Unfortunately, there is NO GOOD EVIDENCE that the warming was caused by
>>humans.
>>
> I expect it will be difficult to prove that beyond doubt.  However,
> many years ago increasing levels of CO2 were predicted to cause
> warming, and since then warming has occurred and is continuing to
> occur.
>
> That suggests to me that the warming is probably caused by humans.
>

That's nice
Now when the data comes to back you up, you'll even have some credibility
In the meantime,
1)    geological data shows CLEARLY that warming PRECEDED CO2 increase. in 
the past
2)    Other sources of CO2 such as volcanoes, fires, even cow farts are 
greater producers of causative gases than human activity
3)    There is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that human caused increase in CO2 is 
large enough to cause ANY EFFECT on warming or cooling on the planet


> The IPCC has been saying that the warming is "very likely" caused by
> humans--so also not claiming proof.
>

1)    The IPCC data has been pretty well discredited, so even their "very 
likely" claim has no legs except for those who WANT TO BELIEVE in
2)    And considering that the IPCC was a committee decision, rather than a 
scientific data-based decision, where a great many of the participants were 
not even active in the fields related to global climate, you'll have to find 
something better to justify your feelings about anthropogenic global warming

> However, others have formed stronger opinions.  Eg
> http://www.france24.com/en/20101028-global-warming-unquestionably-due-humans-france
> 28 October 2010
>
> <Start extract>
>
> AFP - Global warming exists and is unquestionably due to human
> activity, France's Academy of Science said in a report published
> Thursday and written by 120 scientists from France and abroad.
>
> "Several independent indicators show an increase in global warming
> from 1975 to 2003. This increase is mainly due to the increase in the
> concentration of carbon dioxide," the academy said in conclusion to
> the report.
>
> "The increase in carbon dioxide, and to a lesser degree other
> greenhouse gases, is unquestionably due to human activity," said the
> report, adopted unanimously by academy members.
>
> <snip>
>

When they have the data to back up their claim they may get my attention
Until then it sounds like just another case of
    "This is the conclusion on which we base our facts"
A methodology that has shown up far too often in the anthropogenic global 
warming material


>
> The Academy's report said that "solar activity, which has dropped
> slightly on average since 1975, cannot be dominant in warming observed
> during this period" even if the mechanisms involved "are not yet well
> understood."
>

If they don't understand the mechanics of the things, then how can they 
claim that it's not a dominant factor
    MAJOR logic flaw there....
Just another case of trying to fit the data to the agenda.



> "Major uncertainties remain on how to model clouds, the evolution of
> marine ice and the polar caps, the connection between the oceans and
> the atmosphere, the biosphere's evolution and the carbon cycle," the
> report said.
>

IF those "uncertainties" are so MAJOR, then there is NO WAY that they can 
make ANY valid conclusions DUE to those "uncertainties"..


Rest of nonsense deleted
Meanwhile the Antarctic ice is growing to the point that there is 14% more 
of it now than there was in 1980
    http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php?extend.133


Come back when you have REAL DATA, instead of a bunch of talking heads who 
ignore the "uncertainties" to declare "certainties".