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Chris Wagner <wagnerc@ucunix.san.uc.edu> wrote in article
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> Yousuf Khan wrote:
> > 
> > "It" doesn't have mass, *it* _is_ what we now call mass. Just like
there is
> > a smallest charge of electromagnetism, there will be a smallest charge
of
> > mass.
> 
> Then why does attracting Higgs bosons make a balance tip?  Why does a 
> balance tip period?

Because there would be more energy on one side of the balance than on the
other.

Gravity doesn't attract just mass, gravity attracts energy; that's been
proven by the fact that even photons can be attracted and even captured by
gravity. Higgs bosons are just another form of energy, like everything else
in the universe. We normally see the effects of gravity mainly on matter
only because it is the most concentrated and organized form of energy in
the universe. There's more energy in any given volume of mass than in the
same given volume of photons. But once the gravity is strong enough, we
even see the effects on the low energy-concentration photons. 

The total energy of an electron is the basic energy of the electron plus
all of the Higgs bosons that "orbit" around it. The total energy of a
photon on the other hand is just the basic energy of that photon, but since
it attracts no Higgs (thus it has no mass) it doesn't get any energy from
the Higgs field.

Matter (and antimatter for that matter) are the most organized and
concentrated form of energy, because it organizes not only the basic
particle, but it also organizes the Higgs particles. 

> > Blackholes need to be able to draw more Higgs and other particles
towards
> > it. To cause a feedback cycle of space curvature. A point particle will
> > only attract as many particles of Higgs bosons as it has the god-given
> > ability to attract. Once it attracts those Higgs particles, the Higgs
> > particles don't combine with it to make an even bigger attractor of
Higgs
> > bosons.
> 
> Not necessarily.  You don't need infinite mass to have a black hole.
> My idea was that the particle *is* the distortion.  It will draw x
> number
> of Higgs bosons and thats it.

Well, okay, you're right it doesn't have to be an infinite mass, but it
does have to be an infinite distortion (i.e. the slope should be 90 degrees
straight down).

> > Yes, but no feedback loop of infinite attraction. The proton will
attract
> > what it attracts and no more than that.
> 
> Thats what I said.  It can still be an infinite distortion in the space
> time continuum.

Okay, I agree with you about the infinite distortion part, but I don't
agree that _any_ point source of energy would be an infinite distortion.

					Yousuf Khan
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