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James Grady Ward wrote:
> 
> Chris Wagner wrote:
> >
> > If neutrinos were massless then they'ld be photons.  All radiations
> > (photons, beta, alpha, missles, baseballs, etc) obey the dual particle/
> > wave nature of matter.
> 
> technicly you are right, we define a photon as a massless particle so
> if they are massless they should be called photons.  but here is where
> a little reality sets in, neutrions behave much differinently than
> light photons so people dont worry about the minor techincal glitch
> caused by not calling them some type of photon and let photon just
> be the term for light photons.  it is just a question of definitions
> anyway.

Yes, definitions.  I think it was Fermi who came up with neutrinos.  If
he
thought a photon would account for his observations I'm sure he would
have
stated so.  But he didn't, he was *forced* to come up with a new
particle
to explain his observations, which he named neutrino.

> umm hate to tell you this, but  alpha  radiation is just a helium
> nucleus(ie 2 nuetrons and 2 protons).  alpha radiation is most
> definitely
> a particle and does not act like a wave in anyway.  and since
> when is baseballs considered radation???

Uh, yeah alpha radiation is a helium nucleus.  It has a wavelength. 
Beta 
radiation is just an electron.  I guess you don't know the definition of 
radiation.  It means "that which radiates" nothing more nothing less.  
Last time I checked baseballs radiate from pitchers.  Missles radiate
from 
planes, rocket launchers and a few other things...  Light radiates from
the 
sun.  The wavelength of a baseball fast pitch is like 10E-34 cm.  Intel 
invented heavy ion lithography because the wavelength of the beam lets
them 
draw circuits 0.07 microns across.  You can't get that small with X-ray 
lithography.  Its the dual particle/wave nature of matter.

> >  The wavelength is dependent on the velocity
> > and the mass.  When the mass term is zero, you have a photon.
> > Increasing
> > the mass decreases the wavelength.  Thats why Intel invented heavy ion
> > lithography to replace the current X-ray lithography.  They can make
> > smaller transitors.  Anyway, only massless particles can travel at c,
> > and the only massless particle is the photon, according to the equation.
> 
> the only massless particle CURRENTLY know is the light photon, no one
> has been able to fully verify that neutrinos have mass.  it almost
> impossible to even detect one in the first place.  but as soon as
> someone
> can measure how fast they travel we will know, until then it is not
> going to be know if they are massless or just have an incrediblly low
> mass.

Mathematically, the only massless particle that *can* exist is the 
photon.  For there to be otherwise violates certain QED equations that
I don't know the names of but define and explain the dual particle/wave 
nature of matter.  Everything, and I mean everything, that moves obeys
these equations.  Therefore neutrinos must have some mass, no matter 
how small.