Article View: sci.physics
Article #862Re: Super Conducting Supercollider
From: Cameron Randale Bass
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1992 20:38
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1992 20:38
68 lines
3834 bytes
3834 bytes
In article <1992Aug7.192009.29866@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.151909.10487@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
>>
[stuff about the possible Biochemical benefits of SSC research deleted]
>>
>> Somehow I don't think we should spend $10 billion to investigate
>> this possibility.
>
>Since thousands of experiments are planned over the lifetime of the device,
>it is misleading to designate the whole cost to this. Your arguements fail
>because the Supercollider is not a single experiment, not a single project,
>but a device to do thousands of experiments and hundreds of projects which employ
>thousands of people. The cost per experiment is rather small compared to
>the cost of funding these same people to build and run independent experiments.
>Furthermore, the cost per scientific discovery is always better with a flexible
>device like the Supercollider.
Right! he said sarcastically. All of the experiments of limited
current usefullness when added together make something well worth
spending tens of billions of dollars on over its lifetime.
I have only two comments on your unsubstantiated assertions,
to wit:
1) 'The cost per experiment is rather small compared to the cost
of funding these same people to build and run independent experiments.'
My response is:
a) To determine the augmented branching ratios for Z0-related
stuff in biological systems? How would one go about this using
the SSC? Or are we to do this while curing cancer with the
injector?
b) It it small compared to not running the experiments
at all?
c) If it is indeed possible to split up the work of the
SSC into separate entities (which I am not sure is possible),
Where are your cost estimates for doing certain 'important'
experiments separately vs. building the SSC.
2) 'the cost per scientific discovery is always better with a
flexible device like the Supercollider'.
My response is:
a) Who told you this?
b) How could one ever quantify this somewhat preposterous
assertion?
c) Is it flexible enough to wash my car? Or balance
the national budget? Or do anything other than bang
particles together at high energy?
I do not know how an educated person would not see the absurdity
of the (somewhat tongue-in-cheek, I believe) assertion that the
SSC has any essential relevance to biochemical systems.
I repeat something I said recently in another context.
That is, "Jes' because you say it, don't make it so."
By the way, as a personal remark, I welcome you back from your hiatus.
It is always amusing to discuss this with you...
dale bass
--
C. R. Bass crb7q@virginia.edu
Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, Virginia (804) 924-7926
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<1992Aug7.203814.16330@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU!crb7qReferences:
<85546@netnews.upenn.edu> <1992Aug7.151909.10487@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Aug7.192009.29866@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU!crb7q From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) Subject: Re: Super Conducting Supercollider Message-ID: <1992Aug7.203814.16330@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <85546@netnews.upenn.edu> <1992Aug7.151909.10487@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Aug7.192009.29866@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1992 20:38:14 GMT Lines: 68