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Article #8726Re: Quantum effects in the brain
From: Richard S. Norman
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:31
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:31
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On 7 Jan 2003 15:58:32 -0800, ukcomplaint@lycos.com (UKComplaint) wrote: >Physicist Henry Margenau (quoted by Sir John Eccles) states that the >components of the brain 'are small enough to be governed by >probabilistic quantum laws' and are 'always poised for a multitude of >possible changes, each with a definite probability'. > >Is Margenau's view (that actions in the brain might be subject to >quantum effects) generally accepted withnin science? > >N.B. The blurb for the forthcoming Quantum Mind 2003 Conference on >Consciousness, Quantum Physics and the Brain to be hosted by the >University of Arizona states "recent experimental evidence suggests >quantum nonlocality occurring in conscious and subconscious brain >function, and functional quantum processes in molecular biology are >becoming more and more apparent." Physicists do like to theorize quantum events as being responsible for mysterious neural events. Certainly quantum theory is necessary to understand chemical bonding, electron excitation, etc. However, membrane proteins are rather massive objects and the energy of binding of ligand to receptor or to the movement of a single ion across the membrane are rather large compared with quantal fluctuations. Planck's constant is 7 x 10 ^^-34 J s. That corresponds to about 10^^-13 kcal sec/mol (compare with reactions measured in kcal/mol) or to 4 x 10^^-15 eV s (compare with one ion moving across the membrane at 0.1 eV). Of course you have to account for event duration or frequency to make the units comparable, but still most neural activity really does occur at the macroscopic, classical level. There is no need to search for quantal activity to understand what we really do observe in the brain. Yes, there are still a lot of things we don't understand about brain activity, but most neurobiologists seem to think that this does not seem to be a fruitful direction to look, Penrose and microtubules notwithstanding.
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