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Article #8888Re: The Mann and the Hockey Stick
From: SaPeIsMa
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:53
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:53
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"Billy" <wildbilly@withoutta.net> wrote in message news:wildbilly-580543.15355306042012@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au... > In article > <67401ca8-00a9-4553-9b08-e2cc51c65e45@l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, > Jonesie <caseyterry5959@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Apr 5, 7:59 pm, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net> wrote: >> > In article <eO2dnaVPBqkWdeDSnZ2dnUVZ_smdn...@bright.net>, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI...@HotMail.com> wrote: >> > > "Billy" <wildbi...@withoutta.net> wrote in message >> > >news:wildbilly-5076EA.21573204042012@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au... >> > > > In article <Y8ednQjhR_VcfOHSnZ2dnUVZ_qgAA...@giganews.com>, >> > > > RLW <rlwatk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:05:30 -0700, Chom Noamsky wrote: >> > >> > > >> > On 3/31/2012 7:27 PM, RLW wrote: >> > > >> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:18:28 -0400, Leonard wrote: >> > >> > > >> >>> Abracadabra, No More Medi๏ฟฝval Warm Period! >> > >> > > >> >>> The lies behind the failed Hockey Stick >> > >> > > >> >> <yada, yada, yada> >> > >> > > >> >> I'm starting to get the impression that few posting here >> > > >> >> actually >> > > >> >> know >> > > >> >> what the "hockey stick" graph was intended to represent: >> > > >> >> runaway, >> > > >> >> nearly limitless increase in surface temperature. >> > >> > > >> >> A) We know that's wrong. >> > >> > > >> >> B) We know that the troposphere is getting warmer. >> > >> > > >> >> (A) does nothing to disprove (B). Indeed, (B) is something >> > > >> >> *observed*, >> > > >> >> not a matter open to debate. >> > >> > > >> >> (B) means that a lot of weather patterns will change and a lot >> > > >> >> of >> > > >> >> ice >> > > >> >> will melt. This doesn't mean Humanity will die off, but it >> > > >> >> will be >> > > >> >> very damn' expensive and inconvenient for a good many folks. >> > >> > > >> >> I'll hate having to explain to my grandkids that everyone stood >> > > >> >> around >> > > >> >> debating whether it was happening instead of figuring out what >> > > >> >> impact >> > > >> >> it will have and how to solve some of the attendant problems. >> > >> > > >> > The assumption is it that warming will be all bad. How many >> > > >> > studies >> > > >> > have been done on the potential benefits of global warming? >> > > >> > What it >> > > >> > comes down to is the cost of adaption versus the cost of >> > > >> > correction. >> > > >> > That's assuming it can be corrected, and in the view of a >> > > >> > substantial >> > > >> > portion of the scientific community the results would be modest >> > > >> > or >> > > >> > negligible at best. >> > >> > > >> > The big problem is elements of the political sphere have been >> > > >> > trying >> > > >> > their best to hook irrelevant agendas to climate change, and to >> > > >> > exploit >> > > >> > it as a tool to push things that wouldn't get backing otherwise. >> > > >> > Get >> > > >> > people alarmed, induce feelings of insecurity, then they'll be >> > > >> > less >> > > >> > resistant when it comes to unpopular causes that have little or >> > > >> > nothing >> > > >> > to do with climate change. >> > >> > > >> > It's interesting that the Darrell Kaufman study showed climate >> > > >> > has >> > > >> > been >> > > >> > experiencing a long term cooling trend, starting about 2,000 >> > > >> > years >> > > >> > ago, >> > > >> > and was projected to go on another 4,000 years. Is it possible >> > > >> > we're >> > > >> > actually better off with a little warming? Quite possibly we've >> > > >> > averted >> > > >> > a future LIA... >> > >> > > >> I'm not even assuming that the effects will be all bad. The first >> > > >> benefits which come to mind are to shipping and farmers in Canada. >> > > >> Still, >> > > >> any sort of large-scale reorganization of society is costly, so >> > > >> we'd >> > > >> best >> > > >> be puzzling out the details now, before it becomes an immediate >> > > >> problem. >> > >> > > > Oh, the sweet security of innocence. >> > > > <http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=hit-them-with-the-ho.. >> > > > .> >> > >> > > Or is that the sweet security of stupidity >> > > Too bad that "hockey stick" is broken. >> > >> > Citation, please, or are you so stoopid as to think your opinion is >> > fact? >> >> >> He doesn't need citations. Nor more than Lord Monckton needs a >> degree in science. > > I know. He just shovels the "facts" out of his backside as he needs them. > Funny how I did give you bozos a nice page full of cites. But then warmistas are generally stupid and uneducated, and consider AGW as some new "religion"
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Subject: Re: The Mann and the Hockey Stick
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:53:15 -0500
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