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Article #897Grand unification (Was Re: Super!)
From: Matt Austern
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1992 21:41
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1992 21:41
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In article <25319@dog.ee.lbl.gov> sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes: > >Could you be more specific? If you mean the coupling constants coming > >together, theoretically they should, and experimentally they do. > > I don't agree on either point. "Theoretically they should" is questionable. > You certainly can construct unification schemes where two of the coupling > constants come together at one mass scale and the combined pair comes > together with the third at another, can't you? As far as I understand it, > there is no strong reason to expect otherwise. I agree with Scott. First of all, we should always remember that the only reason we think that the coupling constants should become equal at a single point is a theoretical prejudice. Specifically, we have a theory (the SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1) model) which works quite well every time that we have tested it experimentally; theorists, however, find it ugly that there are three independent coupling constants, and prefer a model based on a simple group, which only has a single coupling constant. I happen to share this prejudice, but at some point it's wise to step back and remember that nature doesn't necessarily have to work the way that theoretical physicists think is pretty. Second, as Scott points out, even if all of the coupling constants do become equal at some scale, this does not mean that they have to come together at the same point; we could have two of them unify at one point, and then meet the third (and, perhaps, a fourth, and...) at some other point. This, in fact, is the generic case; it is only the very simplest of "grand unified theories" in which all of the constants come together simultaneously. And, of course, it is very misleading to talk about "experimental" evidence on the question of whether or not the coupling constants become equal. We can't do experiments at 10^15 GeV, so we have to infer the physics at that scale from what we know at, say, 10^2 GeV, and we have to make assumptions about what's going on at intermediate scales. Extrapolating over 13 orders of magnitude is a notoriously dangerous business... -- Matthew Austern I dreamt I was being followed by a roving band (510) 644-2618 of young Republicans, all wearing the same suit, matt@physics.berkeley.edu taunting me and shouting, "Politically correct austern@theorm.lbl.gov multiculturist scum!"... They were going to make austern@lbl.bitnet me kiss Jesse Helms's picture when I woke up.
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!agate!matt From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Grand unification (Was Re: Super!) Date: 7 Aug 92 21:41:59 Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group) Lines: 43 Distribution: na Message-ID: <MATT.92Aug7214159@physics2.berkeley.edu> References: <1992Aug4.135508.18583@galois.mit.edu> <4962@tuegate.tue.nl> <1992Aug6.174653.11549@galois.mit.edu> <25284@dog.ee.lbl.gov> <6AUG199219142422@zeus.tamu.edu> <25319@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov's message of 8 Aug 92 02:29:12 GMT