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On Mar 18, 8:44 pm, Al Nakba <williamhubb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 5:54 pm, "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > What is it you are trying to proof here. Obama has every right to voice his
> > opinion about the past. Little do we know why he was a member of this church
> > and from what age on. It is about time blacks in America do get an honest
> > chance. No matter what color  or race he is. Everyone deserve an honest
> > chance. We are all human beings.
> > Kurt Knoll.
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> > "trijcomm" <trijc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >news:7c859f85-949e-4e06-ad29-e8f0942a464d@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 18, 5:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > He did it.
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> > > No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> > > speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> > > campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> > > race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> > > began.
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> > > It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> > > black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> > > can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> > > and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> > > passion.
>
> > > Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
> > > the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
> > > right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
> > > those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
> > > did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
> > > can be, and we must be, better than that.
> > > The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
> > > prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
> > > immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
> > > flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
> > > in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
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> > > "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
> > > resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
> > > helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
> > > over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
> > > Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
> > > ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
> > > careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
> > > discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
> > > correctness or reverse racism."
>
> > > And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> > > example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> > > face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> > > effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> > > written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
> > > dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> > > wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
> > > person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
> > > himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
> > > But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
> > > repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
> > > much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
> > > view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
> > > Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
> > > said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
> > > progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
> > > possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
> > > the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
> > > rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
> > > past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
> > > That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
> > > gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
> > > tomorrow."
>
> > > Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> > > Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> > > most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
> > > declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> > > speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> > > It was not hyperbole.
>
> > > If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
> > > first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
> > > America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
> > > what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
> > > we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
> > > scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
> > > common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
> > > that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
> > > candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
> > > should be used in American politics.
>
> > > In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
> > > echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
> > > understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
> > > embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
> > > peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
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> > > "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
> > > right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
> > > work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
> > > shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
> > > all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
> > > ourselves and with all nations."
>
> > >http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...
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> > He can spout all the platitudes he wants, but for all of the talk
> > about healing race issues he still didn't say why he stuck around in a
> > church that preached the very hate he decries for 20 years. This isn't
> > going away anytime soon. At best, it shows his lack of good judgment.
> > And at worst, it shows he feels at home with the hatred of Jeremiah
> > Wright -- the same Wright who gave an award to an anti-semite. If John
> > McCain attended a church for 20 years that gave an award to David
> > Duke, I wonder what Obama would say.- Hide quoted text -
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> Imagine if in another time, a bundist said "I reject Der Fuhrer but I
> will not renounce him. he is part of my family." What would have been
> the reaction of the liberal press?

Good job Godwinning the thread in record time.  There's a great deal
of difference between saying that the American government is complicit
in the situation of underprivileged blacks (which is a claim that
don't think can disagree with, although I don't agree with the degree
of complicity that Rev Wright suggests) and the statements of Hitler.