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On 27 Dec 2008, 07:42, "Spirit of Truth" <junehar...@prodigy.net>
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> "foolsrushin" <dolomi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:ba0720b6-2a81-44ba-98ef-6e95850e3b86@m15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On 22 Dec, 06:59, "Spirit of Truth" <junehar...@prodigy.net> wrote:
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> > "dlzc" <dl...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> >news:908f819e-dac0-40ee-97ac-820ec58663dd@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 18, 7:14 pm, cusanic...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > There is the now that has passed. There is the now
> > > in this instant. And there is the now in the future.
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> > > Now is was and always will be.
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> > The exact same thing can be said for "here". With as much meaning,
> > since we are sailing away from previous "heres" at ~300 km/sec.
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> > Answer:
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> > I have already explained to you....there is no time or spacetime
> > dimension.
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> > You are sailing nowhere.
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> > > And there is nothing else forever.
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> > Obviated by your own arguments. Is there either a "here" or a "now"
> > without referent, without observer?
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> > The Viewer is _prior to_ the observation.
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> > Spirit of Truth
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> I think it true in the case of bodies, computers, house bells, etc.
> that they are just that - NOWs!
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> The viewer pre-empts the observation, invents the observation, and
> this takes time: evolved, we use them. Assimilating oneself to one's
> computer's ingenuity is not a good idea.
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> Why? The computer could not have created you!
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> Computers don't have aims or personal histories: we do, and they could
> not have invented themselves. Think!
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> Unless you think everything is an 'accident', we exist outside of
> biological time.
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> We are outside our discoveries and inventions and our biological
> heritage.
> --
> foolsrushin.
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> Your conclusion is?

Minds are not only co-extensive with bodies, they extend beyond them
and yet 'own or use' them, not just animate them (yes, question
begging).

Descartes was watching his back, whilst trying to say something
useful.

I largely agree with Rupert Sheldrake:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JnA8GUtXpXY
--
'foolsrushin.'