Article View: sci.physics
Article #15448Re: Query - How valves and transistors work
From: Duncan Barclay
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:00
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:00
76 lines
4665 bytes
4665 bytes
In article <fuNEGVAumei2EwR5@jmwa.demon.co.uk>, John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.co.uk> writes: > <76b8i0$rqm$1@computer.my.domain>, Duncan Barclay > <dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>Sorry, you are wrong twice. Both valves and transistors (BJTs and FETs) >>are voltage controlled current sources. > > This is no area for dogmatic statements. Not even, perhaps, for that > one! But it is true irrespective of network "model". The fundemental operation of valves, BJTs and FETs is to modulate a current carrying channel by one (or more) electrical fields. Seems to be a VCCS to me. > A true voltage-controlled device would have infinite input impedance - > approximately true for valves and FETs at low frequencies. > > A true current-controlled device would have zero imput impedance - not > true for BJTs. > > A true voltage source would have zero output impedance - only very > approximately true for earthed-cathode triodes: closer for > cathode/emitter/source-followers (earthed anode/collector/drain). > > A true current-source would have infinite output impedance - > approximately true for earthed-cathode/emitter/source pentodes, BJTs and > FETs. > > Controlled source models of active devices are useful in circuit > analysis because, although they are approximations, the models can be > made much less approximate by the addition of a few passive components. > > You can use *any* controlled-source model if you attach the appropriate > passives for correcting the approximations, but some choices of type > controlled source are clearly more appropriate than others in a given > case. I said nothing about equivalent circuit models and don't have any problem with the above but it's not relevant. The collector current of a transistor is govered by the base emitter voltage, look it any decent text book or reference any SPICE manual, Gummel-Poon or Ebers-Moll will help altavista. Ic = Is * (exp (Vbe / (n * Vt)) -1) Where Vbe is the base emitter voltage, Is is the saturation current of the device, n is a constant, Vt is kT/q about 26mV at room temperature. The base current is due to the reverse leakage current from the collector-base junction, it is a secondary effect. For FETs the equation is often quoted as Id = beta (Vgs-Vt)^2, this is just an approximation and not true apart from JFETs with a channel length of more than about 1um in Si or GaAs. I take it you are actually talking about common-emitter/source _circuits_ and not transistors. I do know what I am talking about, Chapter 2 of my D. Phil thesis describes in detail GaAs MESFET modelling and I have spent the last three years designing BJT RFICs. Transistors and valves are VCCS end of story. Duncan -- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<76dss3$fhq$1@computer.my.domain>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!unknown!not-for-mailReferences:
<368691bc.0@stargazer.actinet.net> <76b08g$jo4$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <76b8i0$rqm$1@computer.my.domain> <fuNEGVAumei2EwR5@jmwa.demon.co.uk>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 112d1e,6f59d673fceaf3aa X-Google-Attributes: gid112d1e,public X-Google-Thread: 111d0a,6f59d673fceaf3aa X-Google-Attributes: gid111d0a,public X-Google-Thread: 107d45,6f59d673fceaf3aa X-Google-Attributes: gid107d45,public X-Google-Thread: 10b271,6f59d673fceaf3aa X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,public X-Google-Thread: 1118be,6f59d673fceaf3aa X-Google-Attributes: gid1118be,public X-Google-Thread: 114713,6f59d673fceaf3aa X-Google-Attributes: gid114713,public X-Google-Thread: 1110fe,6f59d673fceaf3aa X-Google-Attributes: gid1110fe,public X-Google-Thread: fcc1a,6f59d673fceaf3aa X-Google-Attributes: gidfcc1a,public From: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk (Duncan Barclay) Subject: Re: Query - How valves and transistors work Date: 1998/12/30 Message-ID: <76dss3$fhq$1@computer.my.domain> X-Deja-AN: 427195358 Distribution: world X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ragnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.46.40 References: <368691bc.0@stargazer.actinet.net> <76b08g$jo4$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <76b8i0$rqm$1@computer.my.domain> <fuNEGVAumei2EwR5@jmwa.demon.co.uk> To: dmckean@gte.net,jmw@jmwa.demon.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915044093 nnrp-04:17186 NO-IDENT ragnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.46.40 Organization: Ragnet, a small network of machines at Raggy's home. Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics,fj.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,tnn.physics,news.electronics.basics,sci.electronics.basics,sci.electronics.components,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc