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Started by S5169180
Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:20
mass definition in particle physics
Author: S5169180
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:20
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:20
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>Brahm at Caltech wrote :
>Mass is the pole of the propagator. ...
I absolutely agree with that argument. Therefore finding mass is same to
finding bump in the cross section. It has a very useful meaning
phenomenologically. However it can't give the reason how or why a particle has
a specific physical(or numerical) value. My question is if we can predict
masses of quarks or leptons purely in theoretical way, instead of experiments.
thanks for your reply.
>Aaron at UTK posted curious article
>Mass can be interpreted as drag resistance of the expanding universe. ..
I heard a similar idea. This idea is very interesting and curious to me.
But Frankly I do not understand enough to critisize or agree. I understand
SR, GR ,and some of cosmology. Coud you explain your idea a little bit more
in details or introduce something to read .. maybe books, articles ?
Thanks for all your responses.
Seoktae, Physics Univ of Massachusetts
Re: mass definition in particle physics
Author: SCOTT I CHASE
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:07
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:07
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In article <10APR199210204620@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, s5169180@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (S5169180) writes... >>Brahm at Caltech wrote : >>Mass is the pole of the propagator. ... > >I absolutely agree with that argument. Therefore finding mass is same to >finding bump in the cross section. It has a very useful meaning >phenomenologically. However it can't give the reason how or why a particle has >a specific physical(or numerical) value. My question is if we can predict >masses of quarks or leptons purely in theoretical way, instead of experiments. Sure. Check out Physical Review Letters or Physical Review D on any typical week. You'll find many theoretical explanations of the mass spectrum of the quarks and/or leptons. The problem is that we don't know which, if any, are correct explanations. In the absence of additional experimental evidence for which theories are correct, it's just speculation. By the way, I would say that the pole of the propagator is the mass, not the other way around. You write a wave-equation and solve it for the Green's function. It turns out that the propagator has a pole when the particle is on-shell. I suppose you could just postulate things in the reverse order, but you don't learn anything by doing that. -Scott
Re: mass definition in particle physics
Author: David E. Brahm
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:48
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:48
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s5169180@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (S5169180) asks: > [Can we] predict masses of quarks or leptons purely in theoretical way, > instead of experiments? No, there is no accepted theory of the fermion masses. On the other hand the gauge boson masses (W,Z) are predictable (M_W = gv/2), and their detection at CERN with the predicted masses was a great triumph for the Standard Model. Of the Standard Model's 19 free parameters, most are related to masses: 9 quark and lepton masses (top mass still unknown) 4 CKM matrix parameters (3 angles, 1 phase), related to quark masses 2 Higgs parameters: vev is known, Higgs mass is unknown 3 gauge couplings 1 Theta_QCD = 0 but nobody's sure why -- Staccato signals of constant information, | -- David Brahm A loose affiliation of millionaires and | (brahm@coil.caltech.edu) billionaires and Baby ... |--------------------------- These are the days of miracle and wonder, | I will not post 4 copies And don't cry, Baby, don't cry, don't cry. | of the same article...
Re: mass definition in particle physics
Author: SCOTT I CHASE
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:01
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:01
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In article <1992Apr14.024815.14039@cco.caltech.edu>, brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm) writes... >Of the Standard Model's 19 free parameters, most are >related to masses: > 9 quark and lepton masses (top mass still unknown) > 4 CKM matrix parameters (3 angles, 1 phase), related to quark masses > 2 Higgs parameters: vev is known, Higgs mass is unknown > 3 gauge couplings > 1 Theta_QCD = 0 but nobody's sure why > Although not strictly part of the Standard Model, we should also add to this list: 3 neutrino masses 3 neutrino mixing angles I don't know what name we should give to the Standard Model when you allow for neutrino mass. Probably just "Standard Model" all over again. But most people allow for this possibility today. -Scott
mass definition in particle physics
Author: kenton yee
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:55
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:55
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In article <22637@dog.ee.lbl.gov> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov writes: >>>Brahm at Caltech wrote : >>>Mass is the pole of the propagator. ... >> >I would say that the pole of the propagator is the mass, not the other way >around. You write a wave-equation and solve it for the Green's function. It >turns out that the propagator has a pole when the particle is on-shell. >-Scott The advantage of Scott's viewpoint is that it highlights the hidden assumption that there is a "particle" to talk about. For example, you cannot prove that the full QED electron satisfies the Dirac equation... in perturbation theory one assumes in-out states which do, but that's just a working paradigm, probably incorrect.
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