motivation for psi in sci.physics

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3 total messages Started by Dean Radin Tue, 18 Nov 1986 18:00

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Author: Dean Radin
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1986 18:00

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The topic of psi is appropriately discussed in sci.physics
because anomalous phenomena challenge aspects of our current
models of the 'way things are'.  Anomalies do NOT necessarily
require a complete rethinking of established physical principles; 
they do require, at least, some revision.  

For the last seven years, I have been engaged, part-time and full-time,
in research on a variety of anomalous perceptual and energetic phenomena.
As in any discipline, there is a great deal of literature available
on the topic.  Much has been published in specialized journals;
other reports can be found in Foundations of Physics, Journal of 
Applied Physics, Proceedings of the IEEE, American Psychologist,
and so on.  Experiments on reverse causality have been successfully 
replicated; so have experiments on telepathy.  (Even the super-skeptical 
CSICOP organization has not been able to explain away all empirical results.)

Unlike other scientific fields, however, psi research provokes 
extremely strong opinions in nearly everyone, especially in those who 
do not know what they are talking about.  One of the reasons I 
rarely respond to net discussions about psi, even though I could
correct some glaring errors and dispel some myths, is that this 
forum cannot take the place of serious study.

So, in spite of my belief that the topic is worthy of serious discussion in 
this newsgroup, I also believe that ultimately it is a waste of net resources
because most people simply aren't willing or able to put in the time
and energy necessary to study the literature.

Re: motivation for psi in sci.physics

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Author: Dennis Grittner
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1986 00:01

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I think that psi is an interesting subject and it probably
belongs SOMEWHERE on the net but.....

I read sci.physics to find out about and explore physics - not
find out and explore psi. It seems to me that the old signal to
noise ratio problem exists ( for me ) here and it prevents me
from enjoying this newsgroup.
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Re: psi etc. sci.physics/sci.bizzare

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Author: Paul M Koloc
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1986 07:22

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In article <218@mind.UUCP> dean@mind.UUCP (Dean Radin) writes:
>The topic of psi is appropriately discussed in sci.physics
>because anomalous phenomena challenge aspects of our current
>models of the 'way things are'.  Anomalies do NOT necessarily
>require a complete rethinking of established physical principles; 
>they do require, at least, some revision.  
>
>For the last seven years, I have been engaged, part-time and full-time,
>in research on a variety of anomalous perceptual and energetic phenomena.
>As in any discipline, there is a great deal of literature available
>on the topic.  Much has been published in specialized journals;
>other reports can be found in Foundations of Physics, Journal of 
>Applied Physics, Proceedings of the IEEE, American Psychologist,
>and so on.  ... . . 

The problem is that the "physics" of strange phenomena may not yet
be known, and the technology needed to study may be lacking as well.  
There is no question that these things arouse curiousities of 
physicists, but it's not the kind of ho-hum day to day drudgery 
that we who read this fairly orthodox group are used too.  It's 
very optimistic to devote so much time to such things.  I think 
there are many who do and some of them are quite popular, .. Arthur 
Clarke for example.   Anyway, from time to time I myself have been 
known to catch a brain wave which has carried me surf board and 
all to a strange beach of exotic phenomena. 

Still, I find it very uncomfortable to batter the more normal minds 
with such exotic dribble, so I would suggest a new group such as
"sci.bizzare" which would be seriously devoted to the science of
understanding "difficult phenomena".  Topics could range over a 
wide variety .  These might include many approaches: "how such things 
could work", propose amplifying technology to measure such things, 
dream up experiments to generate the specific phenomena.  They might
dabble in innovative theories related to what the cosmologies might 
be elsewhere in time or space that are now no longer accessible,
because of echo washout, unification concepts, etc., etc.

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