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Gregory Toomey wrote:
> 
> Yes it can be done:
> http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html

Take a Geiger-Muller tube, replace the fill gas with deuterium and a
percent of methyl bromide, hook it up backwards (reversed polarity
electrodes), ramp up the voltage past plateau (~800-950 V), add some
ionizing radiation.  You get very nice deuterium fusion at the central
wire.  Going into the discharge region chews on the tube - but you
will get a nice neutron yield while it lasts.

This was actually considered by the DOE for tritium manufacture until
somebody who could do arithmetic figured the cost/curie vs. nuclear
reactor conversion of lithium-6/aluminum alloy.  One presumes the poor
bastard was fired on the spot (the one who did the accurate cost
analysis).

-- 
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
 (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  The Net!

"Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<bk9rlo$qk420$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Yes it can be done:
> http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html
> 
> gtoomey

Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.  This tells the story!

                                                   Harry C.

"Harry Conover" <hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:<bk9rlo$qk420$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > Yes it can be done:
> > http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html
> >
> > gtoomey
>
> Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.  This tells the
story!
>
>                                                    Harry C.

Notice that the article notices the lack of shielding and explains that the
neutron emission is low. Its in the story! ;-)

Eugene.

"Harry Conover" <hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7ce4e226.0309171154.236f026f@posting.google.com...
> "Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<bk9rlo$qk420$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > Yes it can be done:
> > http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html

> Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.

Hopefully he should be sterile by the time he starts rooting around.

> This tells the story!

And so it should!

Harry Conover wrote:

> Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.  This tells the
> story!
> 
>                                                    Harry C.


The x-rays emitted from these things are more of a problem than the
neutron flux which is significantly lower than nearly every other
commercial neutron source.

Most of his work is based on the efforts of these guys:
www.fusor.net

In <7ce4e226.0309171154.236f026f@posting.google.com> Harry Conover wrote:
> "Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:
> <bk9rlo$qk420$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>> Yes it can be done:
>> http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html
>> 
>> gtoomey
> 
> Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.  This tells the 
> story!

I was one of the judges at the Intel science fair mentioned at the end 
of the story, and Mr. Wallace was one of my assigned students.  The kid 
has a lot of mechanical aptitude, that much is obvious.  The trick is to 
harness that enthusiam and ability to produce a useful scientist/
engineer rather than discouraging him and ending up with a crackpot 
tinkerer producing the next generation Orgonne Accumulator. 


-- 
Andrew Resnick, Ph. D.
National Center for Microgravity Research
NASA Glenn Research Center

"Andrew Resnick" <andy.resnick@NOSPAM.grc.nasaDOTgov> wrote in message
news:20030918082431877-0400@newsread.grc.nasa.gov...
> In <7ce4e226.0309171154.236f026f@posting.google.com> Harry Conover wrote:
> > "Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:
> > <bk9rlo$qk420$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> >> Yes it can be done:
> >> http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html
> >>
> >> gtoomey
> >
> > Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.  This tells the
> > story!
>
> I was one of the judges at the Intel science fair mentioned at the end
> of the story, and Mr. Wallace was one of my assigned students.  The kid
> has a lot of mechanical aptitude, that much is obvious.  The trick is to
> harness that enthusiam and ability to produce a useful scientist/
> engineer rather than discouraging him and ending up with a crackpot
> tinkerer producing the next generation Orgonne Accumulator.
>
>
> -- 
> Andrew Resnick, Ph. D.
> National Center for Microgravity Research
> NASA Glenn Research Center


But he may come up with a really good Orgonne Accumulator
and then you will be all red faced and everything....

"Eugene Rosenzweig" <ugn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3f690cbc$1@news.comindico.com.au>...
> "Harry Conover" <hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7ce4e226.0309171154.236f026f@posting.google.com...
> > "Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>  news:<bk9rlo$qk420$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > Yes it can be done:
> > > http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html
> > >
> > > gtoomey
> >
> > Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.  This tells the
>  story!
> >
> >                                                    Harry C.
> 
> Notice that the article notices the lack of shielding and explains that the
> neutron emission is low. Its in the story! ;-)
> 
> Eugene.

Eugene, hate to break this news to you, but neutrons are not the
primary radiation hazard created by devices like this.

                                                  Harry C.

Andrew Resnick wrote:
> In <7ce4e226.0309171154.236f026f@posting.google.com> Harry Conover wrote:
> 
>>"Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:
>><bk9rlo$qk420$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>>
>>>Yes it can be done:
>>>http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html
>>>
>>>gtoomey
>>
>>Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.  This tells the 
>>story!
> 
> 
> I was one of the judges at the Intel science fair mentioned at the end 
> of the story, and Mr. Wallace was one of my assigned students.  The kid 
> has a lot of mechanical aptitude, that much is obvious.  The trick is to 
> harness that enthusiam and ability to produce a useful scientist/
> engineer rather than discouraging him and ending up with a crackpot 
> tinkerer producing the next generation Orgonne Accumulator.  


Why did the kid get only second place?  I mean, this is impressive. 
Lack of theoretical understanding?

I certainly hope he does acquire the theoretical foundations to enable 
him to participate in the advancement of science.

My hat's off to this kid!


Good day!


-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
crcarle@sandia.gov -- NOTE: Remove "BOGUS" from email address to reply.

The first place project turned lead into gold. :-)
But seriously, I've found the winners:
http://www.sciserv.org/isef/results/grnd2003.asp, its under 'Physics -
Presented by Intel Foundation '
Amongst others the fusion reactor got pipped to the first place by a project
called: "Is Eating Blueberry Pie Bad for You?"
I do agree with Andrew Resnick's post though.

Eugene.

"Chris Carlen" <crcarle@BOGUS.sandia.gov> wrote in message
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> Andrew Resnick wrote:
> > In <7ce4e226.0309171154.236f026f@posting.google.com> Harry Conover
wrote:
> >
> >>"Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:
> >><bk9rlo$qk420$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> >>
> >>>Yes it can be done:
> >>>http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html
> >>>
> >>>gtoomey
> >>
> >>Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.  This tells the
> >>story!
> >
> >
> > I was one of the judges at the Intel science fair mentioned at the end
> > of the story, and Mr. Wallace was one of my assigned students.  The kid
> > has a lot of mechanical aptitude, that much is obvious.  The trick is to
> > harness that enthusiam and ability to produce a useful scientist/
> > engineer rather than discouraging him and ending up with a crackpot
> > tinkerer producing the next generation Orgonne Accumulator.
>
>
> Why did the kid get only second place?  I mean, this is impressive.
> Lack of theoretical understanding?
>
> I certainly hope he does acquire the theoretical foundations to enable
> him to participate in the advancement of science.
>
> My hat's off to this kid!
>
>
> Good day!
>
>
> -- 
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Christopher R. Carlen
> Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
> Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
> crcarle@sandia.gov -- NOTE: Remove "BOGUS" from email address to reply.
>

Yes its just that since the neutron emission is very very low (just above
the background) so would be the radiation produced.

Eugene.

"Harry Conover" <hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Eugene Rosenzweig" <ugn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Harry Conover" <hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:7ce4e226.0309171154.236f026f@posting.google.com...
> > > "Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >  news:<bk9rlo$qk420$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > > Yes it can be done:
> > > > http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html
> > > >
> > > > gtoomey
> > >
> > > Notice the lack of shielding in the kid's apparatus.  This tells the
> >  story!
> > >
> > >                                                    Harry C.
> >
> > Notice that the article notices the lack of shielding and explains that
the
> > neutron emission is low. Its in the story! ;-)
> >
> > Eugene.
>
> Eugene, hate to break this news to you, but neutrons are not the
> primary radiation hazard created by devices like this.
>
>                                                   Harry C.