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In article <i7XeVD1w165w@mistfish.manawatu.gen.nz> babymash@mistfish.manawatu.gen.nz (babymash) writes:
>From: babymash@mistfish.manawatu.gen.nz (babymash)
>Subject: Re: An end to suicide, domestic & social violence & promoting social
>Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 18:23:53 +1200

>> Drugs can make life more bearable while you are in the process of being cured
>> but they are not a cure in themselves.
>> Jonathan Depree,
>> Lincoln University, P.O. Box 84, Canterbury, New Zealand.
>> 
>> Socrates was a famous Greek Teacher who went around giving
>> people advice. They killed him.   (school history howler)

>Oh how neet,stuff the greek teacher,stuff intellectual idols,I
>used to be violent,I never knew why,still don't but I know it
>wasn't a choice,it is popular all this positive violentless world
>stuff but it is crap,it is not the way life is or can be at this
>point anyway,we have to accept violence and aggression as an
>unfortunate side effect to being alive to a certain degree
>otherwise we deny our humanity,I know drugs may not be a cure for
>some of our ill's but I would rather be drugged and live than
>spend twenty years in some therapy that may not work anyway.
>In SOME cases the drugs are a better option.
>G.FLETCHER (babymash).

I agree that there will always be some violence, and that neither violence nor 
agression are necessarily bad, but both should be kept under control. For 
example, suppose you send your kid to school and you find that the school has 
a bullying problem. You should certainly demand that the school do 
something about it, but you should also teach your kid how to recognise and 
deal with bullying. There are bullies everywhere, not just physical bullies 
but also emotional and intellectual ones. We will never entirely get rid of 
them.

Once again drugs may be a useful part of therapy but are not a cure. If you 
were to have an operation, you would be given pain-killers to deal with the 
post-operative pain while your body healed itself. But if you simply gave 
pain-killers to someone with a burst appendix they would die.
It's no good learning to cope if coping simply keeps you in the same 
unacceptable situation until it reaches a point where you cannot cope any 
longer.

The sig is a howler, as such it's not strictly true. Socrates was killed 
because he rocked the political boat not because he gave advice.
I have a great respect for Socrates, but I like to keep that sig to remind me 
not to give unsolicited advice too freely.

Regards,

Jonathan Depree



Jonathan Depree,
Lincoln University, P.O. Box 84, Canterbury, New Zealand.

Socrates was a famous Greek Teacher who went around giving
people advice. They killed him.   (school history howler)