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"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote on 1st October:
> "|-|ercules" <radgray123@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>STEP 1
>>[HERC] Subject thinks of a yes/no question of genuine (not purely test) 
>>interest.
>>[ZENNER] Tester picks one of the Zenner cards, STAR, CIRCLE, WAVY LINES, 
>>SQUARE, FISH
>>
>>
>>STEP 2
>>[HERC] Tell me a random page and line number and I'll look up the 
>>"answer".
>>[ZENNER] Look at the card and concentrate on the symbol.
>>
>>
>>STEP 3
>>[HERC] Tell me 3 yes/no questions, A B C, one of them is the original 
>>question
>>              but you don't tell me which one it is.
>>[ZENNER] Give me a full shuffled Zenner deck including the card you were 
>>holding.
>>
>>
>>STEP 4
>>[HERC]  I tell you A, B or C.
>>[ZENNER]  I tell you STAR, CIRCLE, WAVY LINES, SQUARE or FISH.
>>
>>
>>STEP 5
>>[HERC] You mark whether I told you what your original question was, RIGHT 
>>or WRONG.
>>[ZENNER] You mark whether I told you what your original Zenner card was, 
>>RIGHT or WRONG.
>>
>>
>>STEP 6
>>[HERC] RIGHT - I broke 3:1 odds on that single trial
>>[ZENNER] RIGHT - I broke 5:1 odds on that single trial
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>Any reason Peter Bowditch (Aus Skeptics) accepts the Zenner test but says 
>>lots of Magicians
>>could cheat in my test?
>
> I have never said that any magicians could cheat in your test. I said
> that I have seen some impressive mind reading acts.
>
> Now that's out of the way, the two sets of tests above are not
> comparable, and the failure of your "protocol" starts at step 1, where
> you set out to give an answer to a non-question.
>
> Put another way, the results of the Zenner card test can be verified,
> the results of your "test" depend on whether you think you have
> succeeded or not.

Not this time, actually.  Look harder, and you'll see it's an objective 
protocol at last.  You see, in this one he's not actually tested on the 
accuracy of the unfalsifiable answer to the untestable question.  He's 
tested on whether he can decide, sight unseen, which of three questions was 
your original question.  Thus you're left with an objective answer from 
|-|erc, A, B or C, given BEFORE he knows what the right answers were. 
Neither his opinion nor anyone else's comes into it.

Seem worth a try?
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