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Article #5301Re: Final Question for Sylvia Else (Inability to fullfill contract)
From: Graham Cooper
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 05:58
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 05:58
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On Sep 18, 3:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote: > On 18/09/2010 2:38 PM, |-|ercules wrote: > > > > > > > "Richard Cornford" <Rich...@litotes.demon.co.uk> wrote ... > >> |-|ercules wrote: > >>> Peter Bowditch wrote > >>>> A question was stated. You claimed to be able to "get an > >>>> answer from God from random quotes of information". You > >>>> did not say that the answer would be in any book, but that > >>>> it would come "from God from random quotes of information". > >>>> You offered no random quotes. Therefore you offered no > >>>> answers. Therefore you failed a preliminary test and > >>>> nothing further needed to be done. > > >>> For your FINAL test you have to break 1,000,000:1 odds. > > >>> Not sure what your preliminary requirement is but JREF > >>> is just 1000:1 odds. > > >>> I.e. to pass a preliminary all I have to do is roll a 6 on > >>> a dice 4 times. > > >>> To guess Barry's questions right, it would be equivalent of > >>> selecting one single atom out of every atom in the Universe, > >>> such are the odds. > > >>> Which is harder? > > >> Your assessment of odds seems very arbitrary. The total number of > >> words in all the languages spoken by humans is going to be far fewer > >> than the number of atoms in the universes. If you are asked for 10 > >> names they will come from the total set of words. > > > I would still have to do 30 THIRTY correct channels running and the odds > > are in the realm of Avagadaros number squared : 1 to be correct. > > > I stated I get the answers from quotes, all skeptics assume any mention > > of 'psychic' means they can ask for lotto numbers or fail. > > >> Your problem here mostly stems from your inability to formulate your > >> claim such that it precisely describes what it is that you think you > >> can do. If you make the unqualified assertion that you can answer > >> questions then you can expect the testing of that assertion to be > >> cantered around the asking of questions, where the failure to answer > >> will be taken as failing the test. > > >> The odds of correctly answering the questions does not come into it, > >> until or unless you qualify your claim in such a way as to exclude > >> questions where the odds of guessing the answer are too long, or where > >> the odds are anything but meaningless (if the latter is what you > >> actually want). > > >> For example, if you qualified your claim such that "for any question > >> where the accuracy of any response is undeterminable (such as a > >> 'should I do ... ?' question, where it is not possible to compare the > >> consequences of 'doing' with those of 'not doing' as it is never > >> possible to do both) you can generate a response, where if that > >> response were inserted into a list of, say, 9 random quotes (genuinely > >> randomly generated) from the same book, a minimum of 90% of ordinary > >> humans would be able to pick out the psychically generated response > >> from that list as the most apt/appropriate response to the question", > >> then such a formulation would not be tested with questions that you > >> were expected to accurately answer. Indeed test protocols for such a > >> claim should be fairly easy to devise, and many of them would be > >> completely acceptable 'sceptic organisations'. > > >> It is the vague claims that encompass things that you clearly are not > >> capable of doing, such as 'answering questions' or 'reading minds', > >> that are going to leave you running around in circles not being taken > >> seriously by anyone. > > >> If you win a paranormal prize by being able to do what you say you can > >> do (where what you say you can do would be paranormal) then it seems > >> like a good idea to be very precise about what it is exactly you are > >> saying you can do. > > > There is a CLAIM, and then there is a mutually worked together test > > protocol > > which details all the specifications and limits of the claim. > > > I've designed 10 TEN test protocols on my own, 2 to Sylvia's satisfaction > > but skeptics ignore them. > > I remember one. Not sure about two. But it doesn't matter. You want to > go directly from inventing a reasonable test protocol to consuming the > time and effort of skeptics organisation members when those people could > reasonably anticipate that you will fail and be a complete waste of > their resources. > > The next step after devising a protocol is to show that you can succeed > with it. Only when you have credible third parties who support your > claim can you expect skeptics organisations to take notice. In the case > of JREF, you're also required to have a media presence. > > > They ask for lotto numbers instead. > > Some do. I've yet to see the proposed answers to BigLN's questions and > the MD5 hash of the video in which those answers were produced. > > Sylvia. Remember Les and I broke 11:1 odds by Les correctly correlating the answers to the questions. I posted the MD5 of the answer sheet, and the password to the video at popetoyou.com/psychictestvideo.zip I think it was clocky dingo raven sylvia 314 Here's the answer sheet, you can look up where I posted the MD5 Big Les 5 Questions & Answers 1) Will Richmond play in the AFL finals in 2011? B Think it would be a shame to lose it! 2) Will Queen Elizabeth live to 100? E Was about as cheerful as is he had just returned from his mother's funeral. 3) Is aus.tv moderated? A Bank spun his web of ambition. 4) Will a bloke named Peter win the Chicago 2010 marathon? D Struck with an axe. 5) Does Raven1 have a secret crush on you? C Glass of water from the kitchen, Father Oscar gulped it down. Les got the first 3 right, which should be obvious to anyone, If you watch the video the fourth answer was spot on too. Dumb question about an arbitrary person named Peter --> STRUCK OUT BTW: Camgirls.com website is a COBRAND, best I can do is add a link at the bottom to CamAffiliate.com next month. I'm not going to redirect to a THIS IS MINE page and lose 100 customers. You approved my protocol to merely CORRELATE answers was sufficient and my 2 page bibliomancy protocol. Herc CAPTCAH = squab !!!
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