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But about the same system as in the Federal Republic they also have in 
practice in Kongeriget Danmark.
IE, the tax office is collecting the folkekirkeskat (lutheran theology 
tax) and distributes it to the church.
On the other hand we have a distinct ministry of the church 
(Kirkeministeriet) that however is currently mingled with the 
communications ministry (You know, you cannot be too careful with the 
right communication with the force up in the heaven, ho ho ho).

On the other hand I doubt (=do not know) whether any other churches than 
the lutheran (folkekiren) is offered the service of the "church tax" 
being collected by the tax office and transfered to the church's 
accounts. I know that some mosaic groups had difficulties trying to 
establish the same kind of service.


Greetings

Bernd Kuemmel

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Bernd Kassler wrote:
> 
> Hello Lawson
> (english@primenet.com) ## 29 Jan 96 ##
> 
> >: >[Note: Germany does not maintain separation of church and state]
> >
> >According to you, the government automatically gives 7% of your income to
> >your religion of choice.
> >
> My governement (which is actually a *German* government) takes no money
> from my income to give it to any churches. I guess that Tilman knows this
> too. Here *you* *misinterpreted* something. If you want further
> information, simply look in our constitution (Verfassung des Landes
> Schleswig-Holstein) or in the federal constitution (Grundgesetz, GG).
> 
> GG Art. 140: (Weimarian Constitution Para.s 136 and 137.)
> 
> So your statement makes only sense if Tilman would be a memeber of a
> church that has a contract with the governmment of Berlin (?) - or the
> country where he lives. The generalization of that contractual procedure
> to people who are members of other churches is not valid. Example: If you
> are a Mormon at Berlin you will pay abolutely no (Replay: *NO*) money to
> the state - nor will the state take any percentage of your income from
> you.
> I do not know the contracts of the state of Berlin with some churches. But
> I guess(!) the following churches may have contracts:
> 
> Roman Catholic
> Evangelian Lutheran
> Evangelian Reformed
> Islamic (turkish)
> Russion Orthodox
> Jehovas Witnesses
> 
> In some of these contracts it may be confirmed that a certain percentage
> of the income-tax is directly transferred to that churches. In this case
> the state performs a certain *service* to that churches. But please note:
> this service is the result of a *contract* between two partners. This kind
> of contract is called a "Konkordat" in Germany.
> 
> Tilman, please correct me if I'm wrong.
> 
> The German (country)-governement has contracts with certain curches. As
> I pointed out: in these contracts the rules and regulations of
> administrational affairs between the two parties (the resp. church and the
> administration) are laid down.
> 

> In short: We may have lots of problems in Germany with the *influence* of
> churches (esp. the RC) and other strong organizations (e.g. Deutsche
> Bank). But the *legal* *separation* of church and state is no problem any
> longer since 1918.
> 
> mintaka@toppoint.de..............................(Bernd P.F. Kassler)
> -  erratic othography is intended to contribute to common amusement  -