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Article #455Re: Mars salt ?
From: bradguth
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:04
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:04
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On Mar 17, 6:41 pm, bradg...@gmail.com wrote: > MARS GOT SALT ? > -BradGuth How much salt does ETI require? and why otherwise do we have so much salt? With all the very best of intentions, or otherwise, we can make our calculations or especially those spendy 3-D animated supercomputer forced models of whatever say just about anything you'd care to pay for, especially hocus-pocus worthy since so little is known with any certainty of Earth's planetology, and especially because we've got next to nothing known first hand about our very own massive and nearby moon. We actually know of more truths about Mars than about our moon. In other words, your best swag that's based upon whatever hard or soft numbers pertaining to our moon are nearly as good as most any. Too bad we still haven't a do-everything science platform at the moon's L1, much less situated upon the physically dark and nasty surface of our moon (perhaps the likes of China or India will fix that). Within the first 50 km of Earth's surface we've got roughly 2.5e19 m3 of mother Earth's bedrock to draw upon, of which the raw element of such common/terrestrial rock salt is worth 2.2 g/cm3. Trust me when others and I say that Earth's primary rock is not all that salty, as to account for having leached out 1.5e19 kg of that sodium/Na stuff. Mountains of extremely hard rock formations have often been formulated rather quickly as antipodes. Rock formations via lava flows or from the results of gradual plate tectonic forced rock are not the same thing as antipode forced rock that's relatively low in sodium and clearly hard enough to resist hundreds of millions if not a few billion years worth of atmospheric erosion. As best we know, Earth hasn't entirely renewed its surface for the past 4+ billion years, but it has been seriously impacted. Softer and/or porous "alkaline basalt is relatively poor in silica and rich in sodium. Alkali basalts predominate among the lavas of the ocean basins and are also common in mountain belts." There's little if any argument that much of Earth's salt is in fact obtained from our salty oceans that arrived at some unknown time, similar to our ocean basin formations having been created at some unknown time, as similar to Earth's seasonal tilt having gotten established at some unknown time, and otherwise similar to why Earth had all of those horrific ice ages and subsequent thaws for some entirely weird and thus unknown reasons that seem to have little if anything to do with whatever's terrestrial, obviously having next to nothing to do with the various species of humanity that was relatively few and far between at such early times. Of course, if there were a moon as of prior to 10,000 BC, as such we'd have those multiple forms of solid proof and very objective evidence of such because, folks as having survived way back then and even prior to 15,000 BC were actually extremely intelligent and thereby fully capable of their having taken notice of and having lived by way of that nifty moon light and unavoidable tidal forces as having been contributed by that nearby moon that's greater than a thousand fold massive by ratio than any other such moon, as well as providing strong evidence as depicted of their having to migrate due to the seasonal changes that otherwise w/o moon should been more of a monoseason w/o that icy proto-moon having previously impacted Earth, with many having suggested Earth's orbit w/o moon has having been more elliptical and perhaps even a bit tilt worthy unstable. Even if Mars were only as old as Earth, the erosion and whatever leaching process, along with the freeze dried nature of Mars today being nearly a vacuum realm of a nearly frozen orb to its core, is good reason as to why whatever Mars salt should still be on deck (sort of speak). From all indications as derived from the best available science, Mars is actually hundreds of millions if not a good billion years older than Earth, which means the erosion and/or leaching process of obtaining whatever salts from within is simply way past due, especially if that were the one and only way for a given planet to obtain its salt. Next to h2o, I'd place the element of salt as being 2nd in line to sustaining that very essential DNA/RNA code of life as we know it, which doesn't mean that other places of a more or less salty environment couldn't easily accommodate and/or sustain other life every bit as intelligent if not more so, especially if some of that other life were merely half as genetically intelligent and/or having been intentionally or by accident imported along with a degree of expertise or applied technology (such as us humans are soon enough becoming capable of doing another planet or moon). Fortunately there are the very good and unfortunately more than our fair share those bad sorts of germs or bugs that are still a whole lot more survival smarter than most of us humans, and there are those extra survival smart little robust spores or perhaps a few diatoms that wouldn't even require a protective spacecraft in order to survive some vast interplanetary panspermia trek (fully interstellar worthy if safely sequestered within an icy proto-moon or onboard whatever atmospheric enhanced proto-planet), that would without any naked question entirely nail our frail DNA in more nasty ways than most of us can count. Human biology and physiology is essentially a somewhat dumbfounded collective of rather poorly engineered DNA/RNA (meaning there's a lot of nifty DNA/RNA code that we're missing), that's continually in need of our frail existence being extensively educated as well as protected from just about everything (including from ourselves), meaning that our natural ability to survive isn't all that great unless all that surrounds us is within a somewhat narrow spec, and that our partner or neighbor isn't continually attempting to implement upon those new and improved ways of terminating or otherwise eating us alive. Of potentially older and/or as forced evolved via intelligent design, and thereby of likely smarter ETs that were given more or less of an environment to work with, as such these species of intelligent folks could actually be considerably better off at their having survived in places we'd consider as hell, or worse. Though being such a survival evolved or educated smart ET doesn't hardly require their being space travel worthy, or even RF communications capable, or for any good reason the least bit interested, which only makes for most everything SETI somewhat pointless, if not pathetic. Being ET smart is simply being alive when most of us dumbfounded humans if given the same environment or circumstances would have been long dead. However, the toasty and thus newish planetology environment of Venus is not the least bit insurmountable, especially with all of those raw elements and vast renewable energy resources at hand, which makes Earth look downright wussy (though obviously near ideal for the sorts of such a dumbfounded village idiot species as we've proven to be). To have once upon a time survived Mars (especially as of the last billion years), now that would have been a highly intelligent and robust ET, whereas if there was so much as a Martian worm, I'd be seriously impressed. As the terrestrial sequestered intelligent life that we supposedly are, if we weren't so freaking arrogant and summarily faith-based dumbfounded past the point of no return, as such we wouldn't require 1% of the salt and perhaps not 10% of the water. How the heck did we get stuck with more than our fair share of h2o and Na? In fact, as to how little h2o and Na is doable on behalf of sustaining ETI is still worth a good argument, because if an Earth like planet having just 1% the water and 0.1% the salt would obviously be worthy of holding our attention, even if it were merely a moon of Jupiter or Saturn, or God forbid Venus that offers more of just about everything, more than most of us can shake our born-again fist full of burning sticks at. - Brad Guth
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