🚀 go-pugleaf

Apparently Mars is seriously lacking in whatever salt, but otherwise
not the least bit lacking in the usual borg collective gauntlet of
brown nosed clowns that keep popping out of those silly little MI/NSA
clown cars.

Is there a little something Old Testament getting pissed off, or what?

Is this why I keep getting those pesky GOOGLE/Usenet posting error
messages?

Is this why my poor old PC is getting spermware/fuckware trashed via
Usenet servers?

Is this why I'm being stalked and hijacked into "alt.fan.art-bell" and
"alt.usenet.kooks"?

Is this another perpetrated cold-war lid that's coming off the Jewish
Third Reich need-to-know jar of salt, yet another example of whatever
else there is to know about?
-
Brad Guth

As we can clearly see, the MI/NSA Usenet clown as having by far the
biggest and
longest brown nose of them all, is right here to show off his warm and
fuzzy Third Reich butt licking expertise.

Too bad that "cam.misc" as such represents UKs most wussy of folks,
that wouldn't so much as dare to break wind or whatever rank over
something this important.
-
Brad Guth

> > As we can clearly see, the MI/NSA Usenet clown as having by far the
> > biggest and by far the longest brown nose of them all (Art Deco), is
> > right here in GOOGLE/Usenet land, as to showing off his warm and
> > fuzzy Third Reich butt licking expertise.
>
> > Too bad that "cam.misc" as such represents UKs most wussy of folks,
> > that wouldn't so much as dare to break wind or whatever rank over
> > something this important.
> > -
> > Brad Guth
>
> But where the heck did all of these GOOGLE/Usenet listed clowns go
> (especially that silly "Art Deco" clown and of his "gb6" minion clown
> that are obviously so deathly afraid of "cam.misc", yet can't manage
> to ever get enough of their own "alt.fan.art-bell, alt.usenet.kooks")?
> -
> Brad Guth

Go home, show is over. Lights are off.

On Mar 18, 4:05 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > As we can clearly see, the MI/NSA Usenet clown as having by far the
> > > biggest and by far the longest brown nose of them all (Art Deco), is
> > > right here in GOOGLE/Usenet land, as to showing off his warm and
> > > fuzzy Third Reich butt licking expertise.
>
> > > Too bad that "cam.misc" as such represents UKs most wussy of folks,
> > > that wouldn't so much as dare to break wind or whatever rank over
> > > something this important.
> > > -
> > > Brad Guth
>
> > But where the heck did all of these GOOGLE/Usenet listed clowns go
> > (especially that silly "Art Deco" clown and of his "gb6" minion clown
> > that are obviously so deathly afraid of "cam.misc", yet can't manage
> > to ever get enough of their own "alt.fan.art-bell, alt.usenet.kooks")?
> > -
> > Brad Guth
>
> Go home, show is over. Lights are off.

Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
retardation.

On Mar 18, 2:05 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Go home, show is over. Lights are off.

But I've got all of them GOOGLE stars, with more on their way.
-
Brad Guth

On Mar 18, 2:14 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 4:05 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> retardation.

OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
not.

I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
very GW way.
-
Brad Guth

On Mar 18, 4:14 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 4:05 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > As we can clearly see, the MI/NSA Usenet clown as having by far the
> > > > biggest and by far the longest brown nose of them all (Art Deco), is
> > > > right here in GOOGLE/Usenet land, as to showing off his warm and
> > > > fuzzy Third Reich butt licking expertise.
>
> > > > Too bad that "cam.misc" as such represents UKs most wussy of folks,
> > > > that wouldn't so much as dare to break wind or whatever rank over
> > > > something this important.
> > > > -
> > > > Brad Guth
>
> > > But where the heck did all of these GOOGLE/Usenet listed clowns go
> > > (especially that silly "Art Deco" clown and of his "gb6" minion clown
> > > that are obviously so deathly afraid of "cam.misc", yet can't manage
> > > to ever get enough of their own "alt.fan.art-bell, alt.usenet.kooks")?
> > > -
> > > Brad Guth
>
> > Go home, show is over. Lights are off.
>
> Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> retardation.

This would be funny if the world wouldn't be in actual serious
criminal
supremacist mode in the US, UK and in Spain, followed by zombies
walking and falling off cliffs, speaking dark curses with their heads
facing sideways. What is left of them?

> > Go home, show is over. Lights are off.
>
> But I've got all of them GOOGLE stars, with more on their way.
> -
> Brad Guth

Keep on cursing, maybe its that hump.

> > Go home, show is over. Lights are off.
>
> But I've got all of them GOOGLE stars, with more on their way.

That will make the master happy, Igor.

> > Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> > retardation.
>
> OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
> not.
>
> I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
> very GW way.

You are sick of radical supremacy, people who commit criminal
supremacy, and as Igor the quasimodo, they call you that guy in
the movie 'fly', but it's not quite that. It must be run by one man,
the International Internet is Googlized, he swings on rope cursing,
he is the Rope, followed by a musical group of folks in an
upcoming success romance: Sidecurse, starring Rope.

"Hey mommy, it's that guy in the movie fly, he is ugly."

Rope stands in front of the cathedral, he used to love kids.

On Mar 18, 4:36 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> > > retardation.
>
> > OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
> > not.
>
> > I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
> > very GW way.
>
> You are sick of radical supremacy, people who commit criminal
> supremacy, and as Igor the quasimodo, they call you that guy in
> the movie 'fly', but it's not quite that. It must be run by one man,
> the International Internet is Googlized, he swings on rope cursing,
> he is the Rope, followed by a musical group of folks in an
> upcoming success romance: Sidecurse, starring Rope.
>
> "Hey mommy, it's that guy in the movie fly, he is ugly."
>
> Rope stands in front of the cathedral, he used to love kids.

No hunny, that's the elephant man. He is going to make a list
about people on the street.

You know how that sounds Rope? I mean, Igor.

It sounds like that guy in Colorado Springs who drove like
a turtle and started writing up a list of licence plates of
fast drivers. He was a side-curser behind a rolled down
window. Then a few days later he shot an 18 year old
for beeping at him from behind.

Are going Rambo online? The secret police watches the
American farmer, he knows he won't violate the law.

In days of slavery the situation was the same. There was
the all-wise slave-owner and I stretched and pulled his
man-nipples long and told him... what did I tell him...

On Mar 18, 4:42 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mar 18, 4:36 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> > > > retardation.
>
> > > OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
> > > not.
>
> > > I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
> > > very GW way.
>
> > You are sick of radical supremacy, people who commit criminal
> > supremacy, and as Igor the quasimodo, they call you that guy in
> > the movie 'fly', but it's not quite that. It must be run by one man,
> > the International Internet is Googlized, he swings on rope cursing,
> > he is the Rope, followed by a musical group of folks in an
> > upcoming success romance: Sidecurse, starring Rope.
>
> > "Hey mommy, it's that guy in the movie fly, he is ugly."
>
> > Rope stands in front of the cathedral, he used to love kids.
>
> No hunny, that's the elephant man. He is going to make a list
> about people on the street.
>
> You know how that sounds Rope? I mean, Igor.
>
> It sounds like that guy in Colorado Springs who drove like
> a turtle and started writing up a list of licence plates of
> fast drivers. He was a side-curser behind a rolled down
> window. Then a few days later he shot an 18 year old
> for beeping at him from behind.
>
> Are going Rambo online? The secret police watches the
> American farmer, he knows he won't violate the law.
>
> In days of slavery the situation was the same. There was
> the all-wise slave-owner and I stretched and pulled his
> man-nipples long and told him... what did I tell him...

Radical conservativism, isolation, the true rambo, the
67-year-old side-curser with a gun making lists of 18 year-old
fast drivers, he is... well, the good citizen of America,
the world's most dangerous criminal supremacist and
murderer psychopath.

On Mar 18, 4:45 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mar 18, 4:42 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 18, 4:36 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> > > > > retardation.
>
> > > > OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
> > > > not.
>
> > > > I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
> > > > very GW way.
>
> > > You are sick of radical supremacy, people who commit criminal
> > > supremacy, and as Igor the quasimodo, they call you that guy in
> > > the movie 'fly', but it's not quite that. It must be run by one man,
> > > the International Internet is Googlized, he swings on rope cursing,
> > > he is the Rope, followed by a musical group of folks in an
> > > upcoming success romance: Sidecurse, starring Rope.
>
> > > "Hey mommy, it's that guy in the movie fly, he is ugly."
>
> > > Rope stands in front of the cathedral, he used to love kids.
>
> > No hunny, that's the elephant man. He is going to make a list
> > about people on the street.
>
> > You know how that sounds Rope? I mean, Igor.
>
> > It sounds like that guy in Colorado Springs who drove like
> > a turtle and started writing up a list of licence plates of
> > fast drivers. He was a side-curser behind a rolled down
> > window. Then a few days later he shot an 18 year old
> > for beeping at him from behind.
>
> > Are going Rambo online? The secret police watches the
> > American farmer, he knows he won't violate the law.
>
> > In days of slavery the situation was the same. There was
> > the all-wise slave-owner and I stretched and pulled his
> > man-nipples long and told him... what did I tell him...
>
> Radical conservativism, isolation, the true rambo, the
> 67-year-old side-curser with a gun making lists of 18 year-old
> fast drivers, he is... well, the good citizen of America,
> the world's most dangerous criminal supremacist and
> murderer psychopath.

Just that inner revenge. Just that inner feeling of being
mistreated as a citizen. You know the old man was
let go home in court in Colorado Springs because
the supremacist judge saw a good citizen there.
The family of the 18-year old boy lost in court. This
was just a few years ago. They said it's the 18 year-old's
fault that he beeped, that he was probably a bully.

It was the old man who force-stopped the boy behind him
on a one lane entrance to a highway and shot the boy
as he jumped out of his car asking: "What the fuck is
wrong with you?" The old man answered: "This." and
he shot the boy to death.

The court said some helpless old man got scared and
acted in self defence and it was the boy's fault.

What do you think. They found a long list of license
plates in the glove compartment in the old man's car.
What do you think.

Criminal insanity. Art runs blacklists, you run death
lists. Careful with that.

> > > > > > Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> > > > > > retardation.
>
> > > > > OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
> > > > > not.
>
> > > > > I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
> > > > > very GW way.
>
> > > > You are sick of radical supremacy, people who commit criminal
> > > > supremacy, and as Igor the quasimodo, they call you that guy in
> > > > the movie 'fly', but it's not quite that. It must be run by one man,
> > > > the International Internet is Googlized, he swings on rope cursing,
> > > > he is the Rope, followed by a musical group of folks in an
> > > > upcoming success romance: Sidecurse, starring Rope.
>
> > > > "Hey mommy, it's that guy in the movie fly, he is ugly."
>
> > > > Rope stands in front of the cathedral, he used to love kids.
>
> > > No hunny, that's the elephant man. He is going to make a list
> > > about people on the street.
>
> > > You know how that sounds Rope? I mean, Igor.
>
> > > It sounds like that guy in Colorado Springs who drove like
> > > a turtle and started writing up a list of licence plates of
> > > fast drivers. He was a side-curser behind a rolled down
> > > window. Then a few days later he shot an 18 year old
> > > for beeping at him from behind.
>
> > > Are going Rambo online? The secret police watches the
> > > American farmer, he knows he won't violate the law.
>
> > > In days of slavery the situation was the same. There was
> > > the all-wise slave-owner and I stretched and pulled his
> > > man-nipples long and told him... what did I tell him...
>
> > Radical conservativism, isolation, the true rambo, the
> > 67-year-old side-curser with a gun making lists of 18 year-old
> > fast drivers, he is... well, the good citizen of America,
> > the world's most dangerous criminal supremacist and
> > murderer psychopath.
>
> Just that inner revenge. Just that inner feeling of being
> mistreated as a citizen. You know the old man was
> let go home in court in Colorado Springs because
> the supremacist judge saw a good citizen there.
> The family of the 18-year old boy lost in court. This
> was just a few years ago. They said it's the 18 year-old's
> fault that he beeped, that he was probably a bully.
>
> It was the old man who force-stopped the boy behind him
> on a one lane entrance to a highway and shot the boy
> as he jumped out of his car asking: "What the fuck is
> wrong with you?" The old man answered: "This." and
> he shot the boy to death.
>
> The court said some helpless old man got scared and
> acted in self defence and it was the boy's fault.
>
> What do you think. They found a long list of license
> plates in the glove compartment in the old man's car.
> What do you think.
>
> Criminal insanity. Art runs blacklists, you run death
> lists. Careful with that.

And I refuse to be in psychopath's deathlists.

Protection of my family. Do you understand what I hear?

> > > > > > > Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> > > > > > > retardation.
>
> > > > > > OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
> > > > > > not.
>
> > > > > > I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
> > > > > > very GW way.
>
> > > > > You are sick of radical supremacy, people who commit criminal
> > > > > supremacy, and as Igor the quasimodo, they call you that guy in
> > > > > the movie 'fly', but it's not quite that. It must be run by one man,
> > > > > the International Internet is Googlized, he swings on rope cursing,
> > > > > he is the Rope, followed by a musical group of folks in an
> > > > > upcoming success romance: Sidecurse, starring Rope.
>
> > > > > "Hey mommy, it's that guy in the movie fly, he is ugly."
>
> > > > > Rope stands in front of the cathedral, he used to love kids.
>
> > > > No hunny, that's the elephant man. He is going to make a list
> > > > about people on the street.
>
> > > > You know how that sounds Rope? I mean, Igor.
>
> > > > It sounds like that guy in Colorado Springs who drove like
> > > > a turtle and started writing up a list of licence plates of
> > > > fast drivers. He was a side-curser behind a rolled down
> > > > window. Then a few days later he shot an 18 year old
> > > > for beeping at him from behind.
>
> > > > Are going Rambo online? The secret police watches the
> > > > American farmer, he knows he won't violate the law.
>
> > > > In days of slavery the situation was the same. There was
> > > > the all-wise slave-owner and I stretched and pulled his
> > > > man-nipples long and told him... what did I tell him...
>
> > > Radical conservativism, isolation, the true rambo, the
> > > 67-year-old side-curser with a gun making lists of 18 year-old
> > > fast drivers, he is... well, the good citizen of America,
> > > the world's most dangerous criminal supremacist and
> > > murderer psychopath.
>
> > Just that inner revenge. Just that inner feeling of being
> > mistreated as a citizen. You know the old man was
> > let go home in court in Colorado Springs because
> > the supremacist judge saw a good citizen there.
> > The family of the 18-year old boy lost in court. This
> > was just a few years ago. They said it's the 18 year-old's
> > fault that he beeped, that he was probably a bully.
>
> > It was the old man who force-stopped the boy behind him
> > on a one lane entrance to a highway and shot the boy
> > as he jumped out of his car asking: "What the fuck is
> > wrong with you?" The old man answered: "This." and
> > he shot the boy to death.
>
> > The court said some helpless old man got scared and
> > acted in self defence and it was the boy's fault.
>
> > What do you think. They found a long list of license
> > plates in the glove compartment in the old man's car.
> > What do you think.
>
> > Criminal insanity. Art runs blacklists, you run death
> > lists. Careful with that.
>
> And I refuse to be in psychopath's deathlists.
>
> Protection of my family. Do you understand what I hear?

I guess I merely stumbled on two individuals on the net
and kind of figuring out what's going on here behind the scenes.

On Mar 18, 4:57 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> > > > > > > > retardation.
>
> > > > > > > OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
> > > > > > > not.
>
> > > > > > > I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
> > > > > > > very GW way.
>
> > > > > > You are sick of radical supremacy, people who commit criminal
> > > > > > supremacy, and as Igor the quasimodo, they call you that guy in
> > > > > > the movie 'fly', but it's not quite that. It must be run by one man,
> > > > > > the International Internet is Googlized, he swings on rope cursing,
> > > > > > he is the Rope, followed by a musical group of folks in an
> > > > > > upcoming success romance: Sidecurse, starring Rope.
>
> > > > > > "Hey mommy, it's that guy in the movie fly, he is ugly."
>
> > > > > > Rope stands in front of the cathedral, he used to love kids.
>
> > > > > No hunny, that's the elephant man. He is going to make a list
> > > > > about people on the street.
>
> > > > > You know how that sounds Rope? I mean, Igor.
>
> > > > > It sounds like that guy in Colorado Springs who drove like
> > > > > a turtle and started writing up a list of licence plates of
> > > > > fast drivers. He was a side-curser behind a rolled down
> > > > > window. Then a few days later he shot an 18 year old
> > > > > for beeping at him from behind.
>
> > > > > Are going Rambo online? The secret police watches the
> > > > > American farmer, he knows he won't violate the law.
>
> > > > > In days of slavery the situation was the same. There was
> > > > > the all-wise slave-owner and I stretched and pulled his
> > > > > man-nipples long and told him... what did I tell him...
>
> > > > Radical conservativism, isolation, the true rambo, the
> > > > 67-year-old side-curser with a gun making lists of 18 year-old
> > > > fast drivers, he is... well, the good citizen of America,
> > > > the world's most dangerous criminal supremacist and
> > > > murderer psychopath.
>
> > > Just that inner revenge. Just that inner feeling of being
> > > mistreated as a citizen. You know the old man was
> > > let go home in court in Colorado Springs because
> > > the supremacist judge saw a good citizen there.
> > > The family of the 18-year old boy lost in court. This
> > > was just a few years ago. They said it's the 18 year-old's
> > > fault that he beeped, that he was probably a bully.
>
> > > It was the old man who force-stopped the boy behind him
> > > on a one lane entrance to a highway and shot the boy
> > > as he jumped out of his car asking: "What the fuck is
> > > wrong with you?" The old man answered: "This." and
> > > he shot the boy to death.
>
> > > The court said some helpless old man got scared and
> > > acted in self defence and it was the boy's fault.
>
> > > What do you think. They found a long list of license
> > > plates in the glove compartment in the old man's car.
> > > What do you think.
>
> > > Criminal insanity. Art runs blacklists, you run death
> > > lists. Careful with that.
>
> > And I refuse to be in psychopath's deathlists.
>
> > Protection of my family. Do you understand what I hear?
>
> I guess I merely stumbled on two individuals on the net
> and kind of figuring out what's going on here behind the scenes.

Rambo is taking law into his own hands.

The Last Rambo. Coming soon to a theater near you.

On Mar 18, 5:03 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mar 18, 4:57 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > > Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> > > > > > > > > retardation.
>
> > > > > > > > OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
> > > > > > > > not.
>
> > > > > > > > I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
> > > > > > > > very GW way.
>
> > > > > > > You are sick of radical supremacy, people who commit criminal
> > > > > > > supremacy, and as Igor the quasimodo, they call you that guy in
> > > > > > > the movie 'fly', but it's not quite that. It must be run by one man,
> > > > > > > the International Internet is Googlized, he swings on rope cursing,
> > > > > > > he is the Rope, followed by a musical group of folks in an
> > > > > > > upcoming success romance: Sidecurse, starring Rope.
>
> > > > > > > "Hey mommy, it's that guy in the movie fly, he is ugly."
>
> > > > > > > Rope stands in front of the cathedral, he used to love kids.
>
> > > > > > No hunny, that's the elephant man. He is going to make a list
> > > > > > about people on the street.
>
> > > > > > You know how that sounds Rope? I mean, Igor.
>
> > > > > > It sounds like that guy in Colorado Springs who drove like
> > > > > > a turtle and started writing up a list of licence plates of
> > > > > > fast drivers. He was a side-curser behind a rolled down
> > > > > > window. Then a few days later he shot an 18 year old
> > > > > > for beeping at him from behind.
>
> > > > > > Are going Rambo online? The secret police watches the
> > > > > > American farmer, he knows he won't violate the law.
>
> > > > > > In days of slavery the situation was the same. There was
> > > > > > the all-wise slave-owner and I stretched and pulled his
> > > > > > man-nipples long and told him... what did I tell him...
>
> > > > > Radical conservativism, isolation, the true rambo, the
> > > > > 67-year-old side-curser with a gun making lists of 18 year-old
> > > > > fast drivers, he is... well, the good citizen of America,
> > > > > the world's most dangerous criminal supremacist and
> > > > > murderer psychopath.
>
> > > > Just that inner revenge. Just that inner feeling of being
> > > > mistreated as a citizen. You know the old man was
> > > > let go home in court in Colorado Springs because
> > > > the supremacist judge saw a good citizen there.
> > > > The family of the 18-year old boy lost in court. This
> > > > was just a few years ago. They said it's the 18 year-old's
> > > > fault that he beeped, that he was probably a bully.
>
> > > > It was the old man who force-stopped the boy behind him
> > > > on a one lane entrance to a highway and shot the boy
> > > > as he jumped out of his car asking: "What the fuck is
> > > > wrong with you?" The old man answered: "This." and
> > > > he shot the boy to death.
>
> > > > The court said some helpless old man got scared and
> > > > acted in self defence and it was the boy's fault.
>
> > > > What do you think. They found a long list of license
> > > > plates in the glove compartment in the old man's car.
> > > > What do you think.
>
> > > > Criminal insanity. Art runs blacklists, you run death
> > > > lists. Careful with that.
>
> > > And I refuse to be in psychopath's deathlists.
>
> > > Protection of my family. Do you understand what I hear?
>
> > I guess I merely stumbled on two individuals on the net
> > and kind of figuring out what's going on here behind the scenes.
>
> Rambo is taking law into his own hands.
>
> The Last Rambo. Coming soon to a theater near you.

His name is Igor. He lives in an isolated suburb of Colorado Springs.
He is a quasimodo, and in search of justice. Kids called him the
man in the movie fly, mothers called him: "no, he is just ugly hunny,
don't look at him". And the time has arrived. He went home and
painted black stripes on his face with his fingers... nothing could
stop him now. The police knows him as Rope. He swings in
the early morning dreams of people, he swings in a jungle of
pine trees like Tarzan, and faster than Spiderman. It was: The
quasimodo of Colorado Springs. Beware of the mountains... He
has a list and he is crossing out names. No stopping, America
has gone America. And I am in his list now. No thanks. Fuck off
skinhead nazi.

On Mar 18, 5:13 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 5:03 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 18, 4:57 pm, gb6...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Radical supremacy has it's slave bigmouths. Fucking pre-historic
> > > > > > > > > > retardation.
>
> > > > > > > > > OK, but I'm not exactly sure if that's worth a GOOGLE/Usenet star or
> > > > > > > > > not.
>
> > > > > > > > > I thought this topic was about our pesky moon causing us grief, in a
> > > > > > > > > very GW way.
>
> > > > > > > > You are sick of radical supremacy, people who commit criminal
> > > > > > > > supremacy, and as Igor the quasimodo, they call you that guy in
> > > > > > > > the movie 'fly', but it's not quite that. It must be run by one man,
> > > > > > > > the International Internet is Googlized, he swings on rope cursing,
> > > > > > > > he is the Rope, followed by a musical group of folks in an
> > > > > > > > upcoming success romance: Sidecurse, starring Rope.
>
> > > > > > > > "Hey mommy, it's that guy in the movie fly, he is ugly."
>
> > > > > > > > Rope stands in front of the cathedral, he used to love kids.
>
> > > > > > > No hunny, that's the elephant man. He is going to make a list
> > > > > > > about people on the street.
>
> > > > > > > You know how that sounds Rope? I mean, Igor.
>
> > > > > > > It sounds like that guy in Colorado Springs who drove like
> > > > > > > a turtle and started writing up a list of licence plates of
> > > > > > > fast drivers. He was a side-curser behind a rolled down
> > > > > > > window. Then a few days later he shot an 18 year old
> > > > > > > for beeping at him from behind.
>
> > > > > > > Are going Rambo online? The secret police watches the
> > > > > > > American farmer, he knows he won't violate the law.
>
> > > > > > > In days of slavery the situation was the same. There was
> > > > > > > the all-wise slave-owner and I stretched and pulled his
> > > > > > > man-nipples long and told him... what did I tell him...
>
> > > > > > Radical conservativism, isolation, the true rambo, the
> > > > > > 67-year-old side-curser with a gun making lists of 18 year-old
> > > > > > fast drivers, he is... well, the good citizen of America,
> > > > > > the world's most dangerous criminal supremacist and
> > > > > > murderer psychopath.
>
> > > > > Just that inner revenge. Just that inner feeling of being
> > > > > mistreated as a citizen. You know the old man was
> > > > > let go home in court in Colorado Springs because
> > > > > the supremacist judge saw a good citizen there.
> > > > > The family of the 18-year old boy lost in court. This
> > > > > was just a few years ago. They said it's the 18 year-old's
> > > > > fault that he beeped, that he was probably a bully.
>
> > > > > It was the old man who force-stopped the boy behind him
> > > > > on a one lane entrance to a highway and shot the boy
> > > > > as he jumped out of his car asking: "What the fuck is
> > > > > wrong with you?" The old man answered: "This." and
> > > > > he shot the boy to death.
>
> > > > > The court said some helpless old man got scared and
> > > > > acted in self defence and it was the boy's fault.
>
> > > > > What do you think. They found a long list of license
> > > > > plates in the glove compartment in the old man's car.
> > > > > What do you think.
>
> > > > > Criminal insanity. Art runs blacklists, you run death
> > > > > lists. Careful with that.
>
> > > > And I refuse to be in psychopath's deathlists.
>
> > > > Protection of my family. Do you understand what I hear?
>
> > > I guess I merely stumbled on two individuals on the net
> > > and kind of figuring out what's going on here behind the scenes.
>
> > Rambo is taking law into his own hands.
>
> > The Last Rambo. Coming soon to a theater near you.
>
> His name is Igor. He lives in an isolated suburb of Colorado Springs.
> He is a quasimodo, and in search of justice. Kids called him the
> man in the movie fly, mothers called him: "no, he is just ugly hunny,
> don't look at him". And the time has arrived. He went home and
> painted black stripes on his face with his fingers... nothing could
> stop him now. The police knows him as Rope. He swings in
> the early morning dreams of people, he swings in a jungle of
> pine trees like Tarzan, and faster than Spiderman. It was: The
> quasimodo of Colorado Springs. Beware of the mountains... He
> has a list and he is crossing out names. No stopping, America
> has gone America. And I am in his list now. No thanks. Fuck off
> skinhead nazi.

It must hurt to swing through pine trees like that, with that American
energy. He is like an Atom. Ropes nicely prepared and hidden,
he takes his victims on an ouch ride.

On Mar 18, 2:23 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This would be funny if the world wouldn't be in actual serious
> criminal
> supremacist mode in the US, UK and in Spain, followed by zombies
> walking and falling off cliffs, speaking dark curses with their heads
> facing sideways.
I totally agree that we have a world that's absolutely chuck full of
all those "serious criminal supremacist" types that'll knowingly take
as many of us as possible, down the nearest space-toilet as they can.


>  What is left of them?
I'm not exactly sure, but borg like incest cloning comes to mind.
(it's also another Jewish thing)


Clearly our moon is causing us a rather nasty bout of GW trauma,
that'll soon enough get forgotten all about once our WWIII gets
further under way.  So, there's not much point in relocating our moon
into Earth's L1, because by then there will not be enough souls
remaining alive on whatever's left of this GW smoking hot Earth,
that'll give a tinkers damn.

These seemingly nice folks of this WWW.naysayvill of Usenet's hell on
Earth, that insist in keeping with their Old Testament ways, imposing
that Earth is their one and only viable planet as intended for the
mostly Jewish humans within this entire universe, are at best really
something special when it comes down to being so narrow mindset and
otherwise so downright faith-based nasty about enforcing it.

I'm not at all certain if I can meet their extremely low standards for
such inefficient if not totally pathetic intelligent design, or
otherwise qualify on behalf of their 100+ billion year happenstance of
mother/father nature doing its random evolution thing that supposedly
created us upon this one and only viable planet of theirs.

Seems to me that there should be lots of nifty but entirely different
than Earth planets, upon which smart enough folks could manage to
survive, and of those smarter yet capable of interplanetary commuting,
if not a few capable of accomplishing something interstellar worthy.

The others thinking that as of somewhat recently other life existed
upon Mars is equally pushing the outer limits of my mindset.  Although
I'm not excluding Martian microbes and/or spore like forms of life
that may even still coexist underground or within sufficient ice,
whereas much larger forms of even the most weird life would be highly
unlikely unless they've evolved into having rad-hard DNA and having
damn little need of heat or o2.  However, as for going back a billion
years seems to suggest that almost anything was possible.

Applied technology would make for life on Mars doable, at perhaps a
trillion dollars per 100 kg/year should do that trick, or possibly as
little as a mere billion dollars per 100 kg if it's intended as a one-
way ticket to ride.  That's certainly spendy but none the less doable
as long as spending 1% of that amount for accomplishing Venus is
simply out of the question.  God forbid, they wouldn't want to waste
any of their all-knowing talents or resources upon improving or
otherwise salvaging our frail environment, as that too is against
their Old Testament status quo of making the rest of us pay for
everything, including with our lives if need be.

So, if that big old and nearby moon isn't representing the least bit
of whatever physics to worry about, then perhaps nothing is worth a
kind thought or so much as another mention until it's too late.
-
Brad Guth

> > This would be funny if the world wouldn't be in actual serious
> > criminal
> > supremacist mode in the US, UK and in Spain, followed by zombies
> > walking and falling off cliffs, speaking dark curses with their heads
> > facing sideways.
>
> I totally agree that we have a world that's absolutely chuck full of
> all those "serious criminal supremacist" types that'll knowingly take
> as many of us as possible, down the nearest space-toilet as they can.
>
> >  What is left of them?
>
> I'm not exactly sure, but borg like incest cloning comes to mind.
> (it's also another Jewish thing)
>
> Clearly our moon is causing us a rather nasty bout of GW trauma,
> that'll soon enough get forgotten all about once our WWIII gets
> further under way.  So, there's not much point in relocating our moon
> into Earth's L1, because by then there will not be enough souls
> remaining alive on whatever's left of this GW smoking hot Earth,
> that'll give a tinkers damn.
>
> These seemingly nice folks of this WWW.naysayvill of Usenet's hell on
> Earth, that insist in keeping with their Old Testament ways, imposing
> that Earth is their one and only viable planet as intended for the
> mostly Jewish humans within this entire universe, are at best really
> something special when it comes down to being so narrow mindset and
> otherwise so downright faith-based nasty about enforcing it.
>
> I'm not at all certain if I can meet their extremely low standards for
> such inefficient if not totally pathetic intelligent design, or
> otherwise qualify on behalf of their 100+ billion year happenstance of
> mother/father nature doing its random evolution thing that supposedly
> created us upon this one and only viable planet of theirs.
>
> Seems to me that there should be lots of nifty but entirely different
> than Earth planets, upon which smart enough folks could manage to
> survive, and of those smarter yet capable of interplanetary commuting,
> if not a few capable of accomplishing something interstellar worthy.
>
> The others thinking that as of somewhat recently other life existed
> upon Mars is equally pushing the outer limits of my mindset.  Although
> I'm not excluding Martian microbes and/or spore like forms of life
> that may even still coexist underground or within sufficient ice,
> whereas much larger forms of even the most weird life would be highly
> unlikely unless they've evolved into having rad-hard DNA and having
> damn little need of heat or o2.  However, as for going back a billion
> years seems to suggest that almost anything was possible.
>
> Applied technology would make for life on Mars doable, at perhaps a
> trillion dollars per 100 kg/year should do that trick, or possibly as
> little as a mere billion dollars per 100 kg if it's intended as a one-
> way ticket to ride.  That's certainly spendy but none the less doable
> as long as spending 1% of that amount for accomplishing Venus is
> simply out of the question.  God forbid, they wouldn't want to waste
> any of their all-knowing talents or resources upon improving or
> otherwise salvaging our frail environment, as that too is against
> their Old Testament status quo of making the rest of us pay for
> everything, including with our lives if need be.
>
> So, if that big old and nearby moon isn't representing the least bit
> of whatever physics to worry about, then perhaps nothing is worth a
> kind thought or so much as another mention until it's too late.

If there is another planet for hyoomans, there will be war of the
worlds
and robots disguised as robotic pets, people will be snitched from
one planet and taken to secret bunkers on otherwise lifeless
Moons. Cannibalism will become a reality, biogenetics, roots
will be grown the size of planets, and deep inside the planet
humans will crawl in dark tunnels. The red-hard DNA of cannibals
evolve them into superior beings, as they have realized the only
reason they can eat hyoomans is because there is a level.
>From the Moon seeing Earth as Earth, sheep as sheep, with
a space flute, an attack is planned. There is no other source of
meat for these old prisoners on the colony, and after eating each
other up now the cannibals are arriving to Earth. Their teeth
sharp, they have never seen their home planet and imagined it to
be darker blue without clear lines for continents. They dreamed
of blue and brown mountains, lakes like in paintings, green
fishes and of hyoomans, far lesser evolved. The time has come
to find more meat.

We're deep into the ongoing GW process of losing our surface ice caps,
while the Mars sequestered ice isn't going anywhere without a good
enough moon for keeping that planetology core and of a surface of
interactive tidal forced environment(s) alive and kicking, as is the
case for mother Earth.

>Pat Flannery:
"Subject: Very wet Mars?"
> As in thirty-plus feet deep water over its entire surface if melted?
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0703/15marsice/

Mars polar aquafur/aquifer ice is certainly worth our knowing about,
as it represents the grim remainder of what used to be a geothermally
active and only somewhat atmospheric protected planet before having
lost it's essential magnetosphere.

Even if we're talking 1% Earth wet, Mars is missing most of its salt.
All the water upon Earth and within it's wet atmosphere might
represent as much as 9,000'(2.743 km) as covering a smooth orb.  Thus
30+'(9.15 m) in depth of covering such a wussy little orb as Mars is
hardly worth a good spit.  At that near vacuum, what would the rate of
evaporation be?  Would there be any salty remainders?

Perhaps Mars was a mostly a swamp and/or of some other geothermally
forced muck like fresh water planet, whereas otherwise the necessary
quantity of Mars salt simply doesn't seem to coexist, as though it had
been nearly entirely missed upon getting its fair share of salt to
begin with, or perhaps as having subsequently been strip-mined or
somehow otherwise having its salt extracted.

Is there yet an unknown atmospheric process of having extracted salt
from such a cold and dry environment? (I don't think so)

If whatever deposited such massive amounts of rock salt and ocean
volumes of salty water upon Earth (roughly 1.5e19 kg of Na) should
have happened at roughly the same time for the benefit of Mars, as
then perhaps our Mars probes should have been operating fairly deep
within the remainders of such Mars salt, of having at least 1.5e17 kg
of whatever Na to deal with.

Have those salty types of minerals and percentage or PPM worth of
whatever's Martian rock salt been established from those robotic
samples taken and processed thus far?

Is salt too complicated of an element as to detect, much less
quantify?

Are there per chance any signs of Martian diatoms to behold?

Other than going by way of various observational derived speculations,
as to our having interpreted upon what sort of looks as though it's of
a Mars salt like substance, it seems as though our very own reactive
moon with its argon and sodium atmosphere has offered more solids of
salt to behold than Mars.  What gives?

As I've said before, there's little argument from myself that Mars
once upon a geothermally forced time had surface water, and that it
still does have a wee bit of local or deposited salt, though as of
thus far it's simply not indicating as having near enough (Na) volume
or bulk as to hardly matter, especially if such salt(s) had been once
upon a time made wet enough as for sustaining other significant life
(meaning intelligent, as to being of something more worthy than mere
microbes and/or diatom like spores).

If Mars once offered as little as 1% the surface volumes of water as
Earth, whereas such there should have been those remainders of its
global salt (say at least 1% of our 1.5e19 kg = 1.5e17 kg), and
thereby even that scant 1% worth of our terrestrial salt is what
actually represents quite a great deal of salt to have kept hidden on
Mars.

What I'm otherwise driving at, is simply pondering the research based
notions, that Mars is much older than Earth, and that Earth is much
older than Venus, and that our somewhat recent moon (as having arrived
since the last ice age) that's so much bigger and nearby than most
seems a whole lot more salty than Mars, almost as though this solar
system was assembled over a great period of time, as we've been
dragged along by the likes of the Sirius star/solar system, and of
likely having received a few items from its vast Oort cloud of icy
moons and planet sized debris.

At least our somewhat salty moon, as being so massive and nearby, is
what's more than making up for the ongoing loss of Earth's core energy
that's supposedly somewhere in the range of shedding 78 mw/m2, whereas
our moon's gravity of tidal forced influence has been so much so
helping that it has become by far our primary GW consideration like
none other.  Obviously adding our global dimming soot into the ongoing
GW demise of our frail environment that's also losing its portective
magnetosphere at the daunting rate of -.05%/year isn't exactly
helping, at least not any more so than our artificial methods of
having been evaporating water that's only adding to our atmospheric
cache of having to hold said water vapor, which currently ranges
anywhere from 13e12 tonnes to as much as 150e12 tonnes, depending
entirely upon whichever hocus-pocus or conditional physics driven
science you'd care to take to the bank.

It's as though we don't hardly know our very own Earth, yet having
spent countless billions upon billions, while having essentially
invested decades of our very best talents and resources upon going
after whatever's further away than Venus seems almost sadistic, if not
insane.
-
Brad Guth

On Mar 18, 1:20 pm, bradg...@gmail.com wrote:
> Moon, soot and biology running itself amok in more nasty ways than
> mere flatulence.  Mother Earth herself is actually cooling off from
> the inside out (so that's not at fault).

> "2 knockdown arguments againt human caused Global warming?"http://groups.google.com/group/cam.misc/browse_frm/thread/7761a34a979...
>
> Apparently "cam.misc" operates within its very own MI cloaked topic
> and/or client selective robo stealth moderation mode, though it's
> about what you'd expect of most anything UK that believes they're
> extra special folks with such extra tight butt-cracks, that perhaps
> they don't have to share squat if they don't want to.
>
> In spite of their perceived reluctance as to share and share alike,
> I'll offer up a perfectly valid third reason for global warming, or at
> least of what I believe is mostly responsible for a good 75% of it, if
> not representing as great as being worth a 90% GW factor.
>
> For starters, 300 PPM in CO2 simply isn't providing a sufficient cause
> and affect, that's being continually mainstream touted as the GW holy
> grail.  

   The best argument is nuclear winter.
   Global Warming (not politically-corrected
   enforced as Climate Delta on the FM band)
   is the first sure example of a bio-system
   that shows that entropy not only
   is impossible to overcome, it's
   impossible in three mutually
   inconsistent ways).
   Thermally,
   heuristically,
   and meta-mathematically).






Soot (white or black) on the other hand has a measured degree
> of GW potential via global dimming and of certain thermal retention
> factors, and otherwise our extremely massive and nearby moon simply
> can't avoid taking up the vast bulk of those GW credits.
>
> Apparently the holy grail of our moon's L1 is still fully hocus-pocus
> rated, meaning that it can't be honestly discussed in most any context
> without taking on a serious butt-load of flak.  However, my notion of
> moving our salty moon into Earth's L1 simply doesn't get any crazier
> or any less flak worthy, or does it?
>
> I honestly do believe that's what it's going to take, in order to
> drastically moderate this ongoing GW situation that's only getting
> more soot polluted and thus global dimmed by the day, is by way of
> moving that primary root cause of GW further away, and otherwise by
> simply utilizing such a nifty placement on behalf of creating a
> literal spot of badly needed shade.
>
> Of what's totally crazy are those notions of educating common folks
> into appreciating the regular laws of physics, and thus accepting upon
> the best available science, as for such an accomplishment would become
> the ultimate demise of most religions, as well as having uncovered our
> mutually perpetrated cold-wars for what utter contrivances they
> actually were, and as you and I should know better, that we simply
> can't have that sort of truthful outcome, can we.
>
> As for my asking silly questions, like any of these following, is
> usually the same as asking for yet another Usenet butt-load of
> trouble, or simply more of the same lethal loads of mainstream flak as
> being tossed our way without so much as a stitch of remorse.
>
> How much h2o does our atmosphere hold?  (I've heard it stated as worth
> 50e12 tonnes)
>
> How much applied energy is our atmospheric gravity-forced tide worth
> these days?
>
> Is our badly soot polluted atmospheric pressure going up, or is it
> going down?
>
> Wouldn't those nifty little diatoms (if given half a chance) once
> again manage to save our CO2/GW polluted day?
>
> How much applied energy does having that massive and nearby moon
> zipping around Earth manage to transfer into our badly failing
> environment (including of what's well below our two dumbfounded left
> feet, that wich also includes the ongoing demise of our
> magnetosphere)?
>
> Unfortunately, most Usenet folks (including myself) are not happy
> campers, especially those of us having since realized just how badly
> snookered and summarily dumbfounded we've all been taken through the
> infomercial cleaners, of having our intellectual clocks cleaned by way
> of whatever the mainstream status quo had within their silly Old
> Testament mindset, as to do to the rest of us village idiots what they
> did to one of their own kind if need be.  Perhaps that's also why I'm
> still having a tough time of saying what I mean to say.
>
> Such as all the flak others and I've taken over those few sorts of
> perfectly honest notions, as fully intended in order to once and for
> all fix what's happening to our frail environment that's unavoidably
> going GW postal on us, that's for the most part taking place in spite
> of our environment having also received as much ongoing human
> contributed global warming that has essentially gotten more than a
> little out of control.  The seriously weird if not next to impossible
> notion of moving icy little Sedna into Earth's L1 would likely become
> slightly more than sufficient, with shade to burn (sort of speak).
> However, moving our existing and obviously no longer so icy moon into
> Earth's L1 would become a whole lot better, and obviously offering us
> soot producing heathens loads of spare shade to burn, not to mention
> having reduced the moon's orbital worth of gravitational trauma and of
> extensively moderating those pesky tidal forces (inside and out) by a
> good reduction factor of nearly 16:1.
>
> With that pesky moon relocated into Earth's L1, I believe that at the
> most we'd end up with is roughly half again as much as the existing
> solar tidal energy to deal with, by which we could all live with that
> modus 24 hour tide as we greatly benefit from the more than sufficient
> degree of solar isolation.
>
> Remember, that as far as we know of, as for our having any absolute
> certainty, we've only had that somewhat salty moon of ours since the
> last ice age this unusually wet and salty planet will ever see, and
> we've also been a little extra seasonal tilted ever since having
> survived that initial lithobraking encounter.  Going back 15,000 BC
> and there's simply no such moon to behold, as well as having a nearly
> monoseason Earth and obviously as having much less ocean and of hardly
> any tide to deal with.  Even as of 12,000 BC remains as somewhat moon
> iffy, though highly intelligent souls had in fact been somehow
> managing to exist/coexist upon this badly traumatised planet
> (apparently they were all highly dumbfounded heathens or otherwise of
> a biologically blind species of humans, because at the time and
> especially of before then, as such they simply could not see or having
> otherwise appreciated that absolutely nearby and extremely vibrant
> looking moon of ours).
>
> Of course, folks here within this mostly Old Testament faith-based
> Usenet land of naysayism, of what's mostly based upon their one and
> only Earth and of their all-knowing naysay hypology and infomercialism
> that's usually mainstream promoted in order to look as though it's of
> good physics and replicated science, that's unfortunately nearly all
> hocus-pocus based upon their skewed conditional laws of physics that
> favors anything NASA/Apollo, and/or of that which supports their
> notions that we're the one and only worthy intelligent souls within
> this entire universe, whereas such they are not buying into any of
> this truth worthy crapolla because, I'm afraid that it seriously rocks
> their silly faith based good ship LOLLIPOP.
>
> Trust me, it's actually not my fault if those pesky regular laws of
> physics and of the best available of independently replicated science
> are of what's not being allowed, especially banished if such honest
> physics were intended as to apply whatever understandings on behalf of
> appreciating our unusually massive, nearby and somewhat salty moon, or
> much less on behalf of appreciating anything whatsoever that pertains
> to Venus.  Apparently our GW fiasco is still officially sequestered as
> some kind of a 100% terrestrial thing, that's somehow not having been
> caused by way of anything big-energy contributed, and even though
> Earth's core has been cooling off, apparently there's something other
> of a weird faith-based form of those extra special conditional thermal
> laws of hocus-pocus physics taking place, that which entirely excludes
> any of those pesky regular laws of physics, or of otherwise having
> merely excluded upon whatever the best available science has been
> telling us otherwise.
>
> Needless to say, I do not buy into the all terrestrial GW thing, any
> more so than having bought into the sun getting itself so much hotter
> and then so much cooler each and every 100,000 some odd years, or that
> Venus is even all that technically insurmountable, nor do I believe
> that our moon is supposedly nothing worse off than a passive guano
> island like environment.  In other words, I have a few problems with
> what the mainstream status quo wants all the rest of us village idiots
> to beieve.
> -
> Brad Guth

On Mar 19, 10:14 am, "zzbun...@netscape.net" <zzbun...@netscape.net>
wrote:

>    The best argument is nuclear winter.
>    Global Warming (not politically-corrected
>    enforced as Climate Delta on the FM band)
>    is the first sure example of a bio-system
>    that shows that entropy not only
>    is impossible to overcome, it's
>    impossible in three mutually
>    inconsistent ways).
>    Thermally,
>    heuristically,
>    and meta-mathematically).
>
> Soot (white or black) on the other hand has a measured degree

But we also haven't always had that moon of ours.  Therefore, we
simply have more of what's off-world to account for the vast bulk of
GW.

How much tidal heat or energy is related to our environment and
planetology interior having that massive and nearby moon to deal with?
-
Brad Guth

Instead of these folks telling us the same old mainstream infomercial
crapolla, tell us what we don't know about our highly unusual moon,
about Venus, or about the Sirius star/solar system that might relate
to those pesky ice ages and of our ongoing GW fiasco, that sees no
apparent end in sight as long as we keep holding onto that nasty moon
of ours.

Here's another slightly corrected/polished contribution, as intended
for those that see no problems whatsoever with their excessively
spending most all of our hard earned loot on their off-world hobby,
that which seems to include their continued snookering of all the rest
of us village idiots.

(it's no wonder these silly Usenet clowns see nothing the least bit
wrong with our resident warlord's actions, as well as accepting upon
whatever our government has done in the past or plans upon doing in
the near future is perfectly OK, as long as they get to do their
thing)

How about instead of our wasting such supposed talents, draining our
best resources and having mostly lost precious time, why not instead
they should be talking to us about our somewhat salty old moon that's
not of Earth, telling us when that big old icy sucker arrived and of
how we subsequently obtained our seasonal tilt.  If they're so gosh
darn smart, as such they can start off by telling us of whatever it's
going to take for relocating our moon, such as out to Earth's L1, so
that a significant and/or perhaps do-everything lid can once and for
all be placed upon our GW fiasco, that's going to need all the help it
can get.

Unfortunately, our "Taboo/Nondisclosure Moon" actually doesn't hold
much of a candle to the fire that's continually burning up all of
those hard earned billions upon billions of dollars, as for getting
badly spent on behalf of Mars, or of worse yet upon whatever it's
taking for going far beyond.

In spite of all that blown loot and lost time on behalf of whatever
life might have once upon a time existed on Mars, that at best sucks
real bad, and/or is of life that's going to remain as damn spendy to
boot, if not a touch lethal to our environment.  If Mars life was ever
into kicking any serious butt, it's having done such without benefit
of having all that much salt, as well as having gone without a
magnetosphere or a worthy moon to boot.  Titan and possibly Ceres, or
even Sedna with it's reddish ice offers more life worthy butt kicking
potential than Mars, and we obviously can't humanly go to/from either
of those places, much less return with anything worthy of humanity or
that of salvaging our badly failing environment.

An Earth w/o magnetosphere, w/o moon is simply a much larger Mars.
Give or take another iffy thousand years, and we're either toast and/
or we're soon enough on the road to becoming Mars like.

We're rather deep into achieving our point of no return, of the
ongoing GW thawing process of losing our surface ice caps, while most
all of that nifty Mars sequestered ice isn't going anywhere without a
good enough moon for keeping that planetology core and whatever
surface of interactive tidal forced environment(s) alive and kicking,
as is very much the case for mother Earth.

Pat Flannery:
"Subject: Very wet Mars?"
> As in thirty-plus feet deep water over its entire surface if melted?
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0703/15marsice/

Mars polar aquafur/aquifer ice is certainly worth our knowing about,
as it represents the grim remainder of what obviously used to be a
geothermally active and only somewhat atmospheric protected planet,
that is before having lost it's essential magnetosphere.

Even if we're talking 1% Earth wet, Mars is missing most of its salt.
All the water upon Earth and within it's wet atmosphere might
represent as much as 9,000'(2.743 km) as covering a smooth orb.  Thus
30+'(9.15 m) in depth of covering such a wussy little orb as Mars is
hardly worth a good spit.

At that near vacuum, what would the rate of evaporation be?
After the great thaw, would there be any salty remainders?

Perhaps Mars was a mostly a cool swamp and/or of some other
geothermally forced muck like fresh water planet, whereas otherwise
the necessary quantity of Mars salt simply doesn't seem to coexist, as
though it had been nearly if not entirely missed upon getting its fair
share of salt to begin with, or perhaps as having subsequently been
strip-mined or somehow otherwise having its salt extracted.

Is there yet an unknown atmospheric process of having extracted salt
from such a cold and dry environment? (I don't think so)

If whatever deposited such massive amounts of rock salt and ocean
volumes of salty water upon Earth (roughly 1.5e19 kg of Na) should
have happened at roughly the same time for the benefit of Mars, as
then perhaps our Mars probes should have been operating fairly deep
within the remainders of such Mars salt, of their having at least
1.5e17 kg of whatever Na to deal with.

Have those salty types of minerals and of their percentage or PPM
worth of whatever's Martian rock salt been established from those
robotic samples taken and processed thus far?

Is salt too complicated of an element as to detect, much less
quantify?

Are there per chance any signs of Martian diatoms to behold?

Other than going by way of various observational derived speculations,
as to our having interpreted upon what sort of looks as though it's of
a Mars salt like substance, it seems as though our very own reactive
moon with its argon and sodium atmosphere has offered more solids of
salt to behold than Mars.  What gives?

As I've said before, there's little argument from myself that Mars
once upon a geothermally forced time had surface water, and that it
still does have a wee bit of local or deposited salt, though as of
thus far it's simply not indicating as having near enough (Na) volume
or bulk as to hardly matter, especially if such salt(s) had been once
upon a time made wet enough as for sustaining other significant life
(meaning intelligent, as to being of something more worthy than mere
microbes and/or diatom like spores).

If Mars once offered as little as 1% the surface volumes of water as
Earth, whereas such there should have been those remainders of its
global salt (say at least 1% of our 1.5e19 kg = 1.5e17 kg), and
thereby even that scant 1% worth of our terrestrial salt is what
actually represents quite a great deal of salt to have kept hidden on
Mars.

What I'm otherwise driving at, is simply pondering the research based
notions, that Mars is much older than Earth, and that Earth is much
older than Venus, and that our somewhat recent moon (as having arrived
since the last ice age) that's so much bigger and nearby than most
seems a whole lot more salty than Mars, almost as though this solar
system was assembled over a great period of time, as we've been
dragged along by the likes of the Sirius star/solar system, and of
likely having received a few items from its vast Oort cloud of icy
moons and planet sized debris.

At least our somewhat salty moon, as being so massive and nearby, is
what's more than making up for the ongoing loss of Earth's core
thermal energy, that's supposedly somewhere in the range of shedding
78 mw/m2, whereas our moon's gravity of tidal forced influence has
been so much so helping that it has become by far our primary GW
consideration like none other.  Obviously adding our global dimming
soot into the ongoing GW demise of our frail environment that's also
losing its protective magnetosphere at the daunting rate of -.05%/year
isn't exactly helping, at least not any more so than our artificial
methods of having been evaporating water that's only adding to our
atmospheric cache of having to hold said water vapor, which currently
ranges anywhere from 13e12 tonnes to as much as 150e12 tonnes,
depending entirely upon whichever hocus-pocus or conditional physics
driven science you'd care to take to the bank.

It's as though we don't hardly know of or much less appreciate our
very own Earth, yet having spent countless billions upon billions,
while having essentially invested decades of our very best talents and
resources upon going after whatever's further away than Venus seems
almost sadistic, if not insane.

We can't even honestly accomplish our moon's L1, much less the moon
itself, yet a fuzzy if not hocus-pocus future of spending more than a
trillion per decade seems likely without hardly a dollar going towards
resolving our need of accomplishing a substantial cache of solar and
wind derived renewable energy, much less for extracting from the
energy that's existing between Earth and our moon.

Doing Venus isn't 1% the cost of accomplishing the same task for
Mars.  At least you can efficiently go about your business (if need be
all 19 months worth of it) as safely within that composite rigid
airship, transporting yourself safely above the geothermally toasty
surface of Venus, without hardly expending energy or having to ever
set a hot foot on that deck.
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Brad Guth

On Mar 19, 2:24 pm, bradg...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 19, 10:14 am, "zzbun...@netscape.net" <zzbun...@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
> >    The best argument is nuclear winter.
> >    Global Warming (not politically-corrected
> >    enforced as Climate Delta on the FM band)
> >    is the first sure example of a bio-system
> >    that shows that entropy not only
> >    is impossible to overcome, it's
> >    impossible in three mutually
> >    inconsistent ways).
> >    Thermally,
> >    heuristically,
> >    and meta-mathematically).
>
> > Soot (white or black) on the other hand has a measured degree
>
> But we also haven't always had that moon of ours.  Therefore, we
> simply have more of what's off-world to account for the vast bulk of
> GW.

  We've never had the moon.
  We got moon rockets and Lunar SUVs.
  Science has the moon
  and it's associated Plate Tectonic
  cranks from Tsunami land.




>
> How much tidal heat or energy is related to our environment and
> planetology interior having that massive and nearby moon to deal with?
> -
> Brad Guth

In other words, you haven't so much as any clue, as to the ongoing
gravity/tidal energy potential.

How about 2e20 joules (7.2e20 KW).  Does that number ring any bells?

How much of that 7.2e20 KW goes into Earth's environment?
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Brad Guth

Besides those of us ignoring that Earth has been getting summarily GW
traumatised by our very own massive and nearby salty old moon, it
seems we have another ongoing tit for tat with elective space
missions, as for those specifically intended for accommodating us
humans, those two foremost options being of going for Mars or Venus.

Going for Venus instead of Mars need not be an all or nothing
investment, and it's most certainly not nearly as lethal and/or as
horrifically spendy as per going after Mars.

Utilizing the likes of space habitat POOFs at VL2 is quite doable, as
well within specs of what those nifty space depot structures are
capable of accomplishing at much less cost than anything ISS/ESS,
especially when Russian or Chinese launched and deployed, although
India and a few others should also be within the game plan.

A most basic data search for 'Bigelow' or 'POOF' should have
accomplished the trick as of years ago.  As for otherwise I might have
to ask of those in doubt;  which planet other than Earth did you folks
say you were from?

Much like the good sorts of Earth science that can easily if not best
obtained from our moon's L1, Venus L2 is perhaps offering us even
better Earth science, as to understanding our ongoing GW fiasco and of
so much more.

In speaking on behalf of utilizing VL2, I've also had to ask of
others;  what's giving you folks the impression of our having to
relocate such an amount of mass?

> The Ghost In The Machine:
> 6.5 billion people, of course.  Did you not want to save humanity? :-)

Humanity has summarily screwed itself and of its frail environment in
more horrific ways than either of us can count, plus we now have such
a warm and fuzzy resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) as our born-again
pagan God, to thank for bringing us that much closer to WWIII, and
we're so much better off at making soot than making scientific
headway.  So, there may not be all that many souls within our badly
failing environment that'll remain to salvage.  However, VL2 is just
representing the best go-between, as a viable science platform or
space depot/gateway (potty rest-stop along the way to Venus, sort of
speak).

> The Ghost In The Machine:
> What exactly is your objective here?

Venus L2(VL2) is simply cool enough for hosting a nifty community of
those Bigelow POOFs, or whatever else you'd care to efficiently park
within that cool zone, and that's simply way better off than anything
ISS/ESS, or of most anything other than what my LSE-CM/ISS has to
offer.

The objective of VL2 is clearly scientific, and it's also offering by
far the most cost effective and viable interplanetary worthy
alternative in town.  Venus is still the one and only known planet
that has more of whatever it takes for sustaining intelligent other
life, including on behalf of those few of us that are not totally
snookered and thus dumbfounded past the point of no return.
-

This following tidbit is what I've been having to share with a few
others that are hell bent upon Mars, so it's not as such intended as
for putting the likes of yourself down unless you too believe Mars is
our one and only next pitstop.

Unless Earth or Mars are derived from somewhere other (the same being
said of our moon and Venus), there's simply insufficient Mars salt to
behold, and yet the ongoing investments into further exploring Mars
isn't in any way worthy of the past or ongoing efforts, at least not
for other than robust and clearly rad-hard robotics that couldn't all
that likely survive upon our somewhat salty and otherwise naked moon
that's causing so much GW trauma to our badly failing environment.

Usenet astronomy, physics and all sorts of related science remains
deathly afraid of their own MIB enforced status quo.  It's clearly all
about the money, and of their otherwise having to somehow stick
everything within their Old Testament cultism, or else.  ESA's Venus
EXPRESS mission is clearly having to operate in taboo/nondisclosure
mode, all because of their findings that simply do not support the
100% greenhouse or bust policy, and otherwise most likely causing a
greater degree of boat rocking from whatever their PFS instrument
readings are having to say, as only adding further insult to the
ongoing injury as caused by way of all those status quo lies we've
been told about Venus.

As I've had to stipulate upon the obvious from the very get-go;
Mars is only a 100% butt kicking go if whatever ongoing cost isn't a
factor, if decades of R&D plus mission time isn't a factor, if your
having to bring damn near everything imaginable along for the spendy
and potentially lethal to/from ride isn't a factor, if your not having
rad-hard DNA isn't a factor any more so than your not having half a
village idiot's brain isn't a factor.  Otherwise, much like our
physically dark and reactive nasty moon, Mars is best suited for those
robust little rad-hard robots, that can if need be take on loads of
cosmic energy plus whatever direct meteorite hits and somewhat keep
right on ticking after thawing out each subfrozen to death night,
whereas we humans of frail DNA would need to pack along a rather
substantial cache of our banked bone marrow, and lots of ductape.

Otherwise, for a fat-waverider of an airship cruising above the bulk
of those acidic Venusian clouds, whereas it's still unavoidably made
solar warm by day, but otherwise becomes seriously a wee bit extra
cold by night, offering a rather good thermal difference to behold of
190°C, is why Venus gets so technically doable.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEMANY808BE_0.html
Higher in the atmosphere, above 110 kilometres, the mysteries
continue. In the higher atmosphere of a planet as close to the Sun as
Venus, why do we measure temperatures as low as 30 °C on the day side,
and even -160 °C on the night side?

"At around 60 kilometres altitude is a very thick cloud layer - a 20
kilometre-deep blanket surrounding the planet."

By which also means there's more than a few teratonnes worth of good
old fresh h2o available to easily extract, not to mention your having
all of the local renewable energy that you could possibly need as for
making that easily extracted h2o into the likes of h2o2 if need be.

Somewhat near the bottom (46+ km) zone of that robust Venus cloud deck
is also a rather nifty layer of S8 solids.  Once situated well enough
below the S8 layer (say operating below 35 km by day and perhaps 25 km
by night) is where it gets much calmer and unavoidably warmer as
headed towards that geothermally active deck, a Venusian surface
that's emitting 20 some odd watts/m2 (emitting at least 256 fold
greater thermal energy than Earth's surface).  Of course, not each and
every m2 is every bit as hot or as cool as any other, and of surface
elevations do exist where you could have a nighttime surface
environment of something less than 600 K, whereas many other active
zones of lava, mud ponds or of mud flows, or otherwise of those pesky
geothermal forced gas vents are most certainly more than smoking hot
spots to keep your distance from.

There's nothing that's technically all that insurmountable about
Venus, and thank God there's locally such an available cache of mucho/
spare and otherwise 100% renewable energy to burn (sort of speak).
With said available energy at thy disposal (of which obviously need
not be imported), there's almost nothing that can't be accommodated,
including while on the fly of utilizing that composite rigid airship,
or that of processing CO2-->CO/O2.  Of course, the usual mainstream
box of status quo thinking, of what's mostly faith-based naysayism,
gets you nowhere.

Much like the ESA Venus EXPRESS mission's robust PFS instrument, the
composite rigid airship alternative is 100% doable within existing and
thus known technology.  Its size doesn't actually matter, whereas with
applications of micro electronics means that such a composite airship
could be made extremely small (within as little as one cubic meter, or
at most a few meters worth of LOA), or because of the available
buoyancy and 90.5% gravity means that such a nifty composite airship
could otherwise become 10 fold larger than anything accomplished upon
Earth, as well as hauling 70 fold as much payload per m3.

Obviously you and others of your kind don't likely grasp nor otherwise
comprehend the most basic terminology meaning of "composite", or that
of being "rigid", or the matter of fact being that such an airship
would be operating as though efficiently within nearly a 10% density
of water that's actually made better by way of that buoyancy medium
being compeised mostly of clean and dry co2, which by the way is an
extremely easy element to keep outside of this Venusian configured
airship.
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Brad Guth

Did we have that moon and seasons as of 15,000 BC?

How about as of 12,000 BC?
-
Brad Guth

I see that the truth and nothing but the truth is simply imposing too
much trauma for this anti-think-tank of a mostly infomercial spewing
Old Testament Usenet from hell can ever hope to deal with.

Apparently hocus-pocus conditional physics and otherwise need to know
science is about as good as it ever gets.
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Brad Guth