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Article #6395Re: Zeno's Paradox (was Re: Moonlanding was FAKE...)
From: Clive D.W. Feather
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:00
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:00
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In article <momo.861569516@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu>, Monwhea Jeng
<momo@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu> writes
>An even higher order of infinity is aleph-two. Now it's been a
>while since I've done this stuff, but I believe that this is
>the size of all aleph-one long sets of reals.
Aleph-2 is also the number of curves that can be drawn on the plane. It
is, IIRC, the last infinity that has some non-trivial meaning.
>One can continue this ad naseum -- i.e. aleph-n long sets of
>elements of an aleph-n size group gives aleph-(n+1).
aleph-(n+1) equals 2 to the power aleph-n.
>And then this statement,
>with a countable number of "aleph-"'s written down, which is
>believe is called w (that's supposed to be an omega).
No, w is the first "ordinal" infinity. This is, as I understand it, when
you distinguish the order of the items in an infinite set:
w: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ...
w+1: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ... 1
w+2: 3, 4, 5, 6, ... 1, 2
w+3: 4, 5, 6, ... 1, 2, 3
2w: 1, 3, 5, ... 2, 4, 6, ...
2w+2: 2, 4, 6, ... 3, 5, 7, ... 1
>I think, strictly speaking,
>aleph-one may refer to the ""smallest" set of infinity which is
>larger than the set of integers.
No. aleph-1 is 2 to the power aleph-0, and it is possible to prove that
that is the number of real numbers.
>but it is not known if there is a size of infinity
>between the integers and the reals. Similarly, it's not known
>if there are levels of infinity between the ones generated by the
>process described above. I think it might be one of these
>Godel-like things.
I recall an article that said that it is actually possible to prove that
you can't prove it either way - in other words, the statements:
- ordinary arithmetic is correct, and there is a number between aleph-0
and aleph-1;
- ordinary arithmetic is correct, and there are no numbers between
aleph-0 and aleph-1;
both lead to consistent systems.
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