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Article #13Re: Dropping standards
From: Herman Rubin
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:40
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:40
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In article <1116398224.808357.92540@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Deep Fried Lettuce <sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote: >BMJ wrote: >> Taenia Solium wrote: >> > straydog <advocacy@sdf.lonestar.org> writes: >> >>We, over on the newsgroup sci.research.careers, heard about this >> >>thread and we get into serious debates and discussions about the >> >>declining standards in the USA and I think its true. >> > This is happening globally. >> It scares me to think that I might be crossing a bridge or entering a >> building that some of them might have had a hand in designing. >so why in the hell are the standards in this and education in >general being ALLOWED to slip lower and lower evey few years? The tendency is always for this to happen, unless there are enough in positions to do something about it to prevent it. One of the safeguards is that it can be possible to make comparisons; this is something which is stupidly being "done" in comparing schools by using multiple choice tests. But how much can this do if it is intended that "all", except those with severe mental handicaps, graduate high school? It was the idea to educate children according to age, which requires reduction of content to the lowest common denominator, that forces this situation. Politically, state universities cannot refuse to admit graduates from the state high schools with good grades, nor to flunk out too many of them. And if private universities do not admit graduate students from these state schools with good grades, the federal government, which is the MAJOR funding source for research, will find ways to cut their research funding. We have another problem now; the student ratings can kill a faculty member's career, no matter how good a real teaching job is being done. >And as for marks why is it that grades are always artificially inflated >not reflecting the true nature of a student's performance? Those same educationists tried to make all grades relative. One class is as good as another, isn't it? (VERY definitely not the case.) >Exactly who was the bizarre person that thought this would be a good >idea? The "Progressive Educators", the group led by John Dewey, who essentially took over the public schools during the depression. The very democratic 19th century voters had no problems with high school requiring ability, and college requiring more. But this philosophy was that age and socialization were more important than education, and in the Depression, they were able to sell this to most of the public. Affirmative action has not helped, as anyone who flunks a black will be accused of racial discrimination, no matter what the scores. -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
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X-Google-Thread: 10d632,694a043254ae7218 X-Google-Thread: f732f,694a043254ae7218 X-Google-Thread: f8886,8e003644a40cb3b3 X-Google-Thread: 10df0c,db63db42ab56e0c0 X-Google-Thread: 1083c4,4f67d992c458b285 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d632,gidf732f,gidf8886,gid10df0c,gid1083c4,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.purdue.edu!not-for-mail From: hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Newsgroups: sci.stat.math,sci.stat.edu,sci.research.careers,aus.politics,aus.general Subject: Re: Dropping standards Date: 18 May 2005 11:40:54 -0500 Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Lines: 76 Message-ID: <d6fr6m$357k@odds.stat.purdue.edu> References: <1115922962.400539.135900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <87mzqtm9mw.fsf_-_@kafka.homenet> <s8Aie.1398315$8l.642040@pd7tw1no> <1116398224.808357.92540@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: odds.stat.purdue.edu X-Trace: mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu 1116434454 3767 128.210.141.13 (18 May 2005 16:40:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@purdue.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:40:54 +0000 (UTC)