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Article #3Re: Beyond the Limits and world modelling
From: Kenneth L. Simons
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:56
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:56
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Don Taylor (dont@klic.rain.com) writes, >I saw a copy of Beyond the Limits (which describes updates to the models used >in The Limits to Growth) in the local bookstore. It had a note in the back >that the model of the world described is available to run under Dynamo or >Stella. > >Is there an inexpensive version of either of these simulation engines >available? Perhaps a student or educational version? > >If not, is there another simulation engine the model could be ported to without >a great deal of effort? Copies of model for "Beyond the Limits" are available for STELLA from the Laboratory for Interactive Learning (address below). There is some charge; I don't know how much. They must have the Dynamo version too, but you might have to implement by yourself the changes that they made in doing the "Beyond the Limits" study. The modeling program STELLA II is available from High Performance Systems, Inc. (address below), or from mail order Macintosh software firms. STELLA II is virtually identical with another product, iThink, sold by the same company. The manual for iThink is geared toward people who use spreadsheets, while the manual for STELLA II hops directly into systems thinking. Call the company for details. You can use the Beyond the Limits model in either STELLA II or iThink. The company used to have, and may still have, academic discounts. For ease of use and for educational purposes, I definitely prefer STELLA II over Dynamo. It has a visually-oriented interface. You can lay out the model on the screen and see it as a diagram. Unfortunately, STELLA ONLY RUNS ON MACINTOSH COMPUTERS. If you do not have access to Macintosh computers, then you can use Dynamo (from Pugh Roberts, Inc.; address below), or other modeling programs available for PCs and workstations may be able to read and use Dynamo models. Other programs include DYSMAP2 and Vensim (both of which are described in a recent issue of the "European Journal of Operational Research," vol. 59 no. 1, pages 203-209 & 216-219) and SimTek (available from ModellData A/S and in 1990 priced at $280 / $168 educational, address below). A Macintosh program called "Beyond the Limits" will be available this fall for a low price from the Laboratory for Interactive Learning (address below). It requires that you have HyperCard version 2.0 or newer (free with all new Macintosh computers). This program is much easier to use than STELLA, Dynamo, etc. It lets you simulate the "Beyond the Limits" model, draw graphs over time of any variables in the model, and change any of the factors that the authors of the book change. It includes some introductory discussion about how to use the model and about real-world goings-on that are background knowledge for the ideas in the model. It also discusses what's going on inside the model when you make changes to it. To change the model in ways not done in the book, you have to either buy the STELLA (or Dynamo) version of the model, or wait a while for the next version of this "Beyond the Limits" program. (Future versions will probably allow people to change the model to address criticisms, additional influences not in the original model, and misconceptions. Hopefully, future versions will allow people to view diagrams of the model, then click on any part of those diagrams for an explanation and equation of that part, and if desired change any constant or "table function." Diagrams of the model that don't let you click for information are included in the about-to-be-released version.) If you want to pursue this topic you will of course need to read the book "Beyond the Limits" (Chelsea Green Publishing Co., address below). It does no good to play around with the model unless you first understand the point of the model and how the authors use it and interpret it. If you want to delve seriously into the model, you may also want the book "Dynamics of Growth in a Finite World" (Productivity Press, address below). This book documents the model, for each part giving a summary of relevant scientific work, and explaining why the authors formulated the model the way they did. If you need references to get acquainted with modeling of dynamic systems, let me know. Good luck and have fun! Ken Simons. ADDRESSES Laboratory for Interactive Learning Hood House University of New Hampshire Durham, NH 03824 Phone: (603) 862-2186 Fax: (603) 862-1488 High Performance Systems, Inc. 45 Lyme Road, Suite 300 Hanover, NH 03755 Phone: (603) 643-9636 Fax: (603) 643-9502 Pugh Roberts, Inc. 41 William Linskey Way Cambridge, MA 02142 Phone: (617) 864-8880 Fax: (617) 661-7418 ModellData A/S N-5120 Manger Norway Phones as of 1990: +47 5 19 57 67 ................. +47 5 37 40 09 Fax as of 1990: +47 5 37 35 00 Chelsea Green Publishing Co. (somewhere in Post Mills, Vermont) 1-800-639-4099 Productivity Press (somewhere in Cambridge, Massachusetts) 1-800-274-9911
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!ogicse!das-news.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!ks3y+ From: ks3y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenneth L. Simons) Newsgroups: sci.systems Subject: Re: Beyond the Limits and world modelling Message-ID: <4eZNvWW00iUz05l28q@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 21 Aug 92 17:56:50 GMT Article-I.D.: andrew.4eZNvWW00iUz05l28q References: <1992Aug10.062550.21271@klic.rain.com> Organization: Doctoral student, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 113 In-Reply-To: <1992Aug10.062550.21271@klic.rain.com>