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Started by Waldmann
Mon, 15 Aug 1994 07:51
Kalman Filtering in Biomaths
Author: Waldmann
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 07:51
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 07:51
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Student trying to confer a doctorate on viszera-evoked brain potentials
needs some methodological advice. These kinds of signal aren't very well
behaved (bad signa-to-noise-ratio, ill-defined shape, varying onset etc.),
so ordinary digital filters like moving averages or MMSEs won't do the
job when extracting the signal from noisy background EEG. Some say that
Kalman filtering some some state-space-represented filter model might
help. I understand the basics and the frames of application, but driving a
car is quite different from actually constructing and manufacturing it,
isn't it ? Consequnetly, I'd be very thankful for some hints as regards:
* introductory books / papers on Kalman filtering and its
applicability in the field of signal extracting, perhaps
with an emphasis to EEG analysis
* who has ever worked in the field before what filters did they use
* papers discussing the links between state-space-models or general
systems' representation and biosignal analysis
Maybe some researchers' group working on the same field wants to establish
a regular exchange of ideas over the net. Please send e-mail to
thinklab@rmlplz.uni-mannheim.de
or contact
Hans-Christian Waldmann
Falkenstr. 21 A
68307 Mannheim
Germany
Re: Kalman Filtering in Biomaths
Author: Lester Ingber
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 13:33
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 13:33
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In article <32n6qk$mj7@darum.uni-mannheim.de>, Waldmann <thinklab@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> wrote: :Student trying to confer a doctorate on viszera-evoked brain potentials :needs some methodological advice. These kinds of signal aren't very well :behaved (bad signa-to-noise-ratio, ill-defined shape, varying onset etc.), :so ordinary digital filters like moving averages or MMSEs won't do the :job when extracting the signal from noisy background EEG. Some say that :Kalman filtering some some state-space-represented filter model might :help. I understand the basics and the frames of application, but driving a :car is quite different from actually constructing and manufacturing it, :isn't it ? Consequnetly, I'd be very thankful for some hints as regards: : : * introductory books / papers on Kalman filtering and its : applicability in the field of signal extracting, perhaps : with an emphasis to EEG analysis : : * who has ever worked in the field before what filters did they use : : * papers discussing the links between state-space-models or general : systems' representation and biosignal analysis : :Maybe some researchers' group working on the same field wants to establish :a regular exchange of ideas over the net. Please send e-mail to : : thinklab@rmlplz.uni-mannheim.de :or contact : Hans-Christian Waldmann : Falkenstr. 21 A : 68307 Mannheim : Germany Kalman filtering, especially in the context you seek, should be considered as some quasi-linear modeling of your data, with all the benefits and dangers implied therein. Some nice papers which illustrate how Kalman filtering is related to other linearized systems, e.g., ARMA models, are A K. Kishida %T Physical Langevin model and the time-series model in systems far from equilibrium %J Phys. Rev. A %V 25 %D 1982 %P 496-507 %A K. Kishida %T Equivalent random force and time-series model in systems far from equilibrium %J J. Math. Phys. %V 25 %D 1984 %P 1308-1313 If you believe, and there is good reason to do so, that EEG contains more nonlinear structure in its basic deterministic "drift" as well as in its "noise," then you likely will do better modeling this data with a model better suited to describing your particular system, thereby increasing your chances of getting a better "signal to noise" ratio. Unfortunately, as soon as you leave the "canned black-box" quasi-linear world of most software, you enter a world requiring more work on more details of many stages of your work. In the archive ftp.alumni.caltech.edu, in directory /pub/ingber, I have a series of papers, smni..., which give my own work leading up to modeling EEG. The most recent papers, smni91_eeg.ps.Z and smni95_eeg.ps.Z likely are the most readable. These can be retrieved via anonymous ftp. There are quite a few other approaches to modeling EEG in more realistic ways than by Kalman filtering. One text I recommend is %A P.L. Nunez %T Electric Fields of the Brain: The Neurophysics of EEG %I Oxford University Press %C London %D 1981 and a newer version should be out this year: %E P. Nunez %B Neocortical Dynamics and Human EEG Rhythms %I Oxford University Press %C New York, NY %P (to be published) %D 1994 Lester -- \\ Prof. Lester Ingber // \\ Lester Ingber Research // \\ P.O. Box 857 E-Mail: ingber@alumni.caltech.edu // \\ McLean, VA 22101 Archive: ftp.alumni.caltech.edu:/pub/ingber //
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