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Re: Santa Cruz Homeless Update - Melee erupts at farmers market drum circle

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From: dhm_at_best_dot_com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:13
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On Sep 15, 3:41 pm, dhm_at_best_dot_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>
> Drum Circle Defense 3:30 PM Wednesday September 17th
>
> Monday, September 15, 2008 2:27 PM
> From: "Robert Norse" <rnor...@hotmail.com>
> To: emphat...@comcast.net
>
> http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/15/18538444.php
>
> Title:   Keeping Public Spaces Public
> START DATE:      Wednesday September 17
> TIME:    3:30 PM         -       6:30 PM
> Location Details:
> In parking lot #4 at Cedar and Cathcart--the lot next to the
> WednesdayFarmer's Market. At the traditional spot used by the
> community drummersfor the last 10 years under the trees.
> Event Type:      Party/Street Party
> Contact Name    Robert Norse
> Email Address   rnorse3 [at] hotmail.com
> Phone Number
> Address
> Come defend the weekly community gathering from police and
> politicalharassment. Food Not Bombs regularly fed there--except on
> September3rd--when police staked out the area and dispersed the
> participants.
>
> HUFF (Homeless United for Friendship & Freedom) will be petitioning
> and copwatching there.
>
> A description of last week's successful restoration of public space
> can be found at:
> 'Victory at Parking Lot #4 -- The beat goes on!'http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/11/18536533.php
>
> A series of excellent photographs of the restored Drum Circle
> (withsupportive Trash Orchestra, Raging Grannies, community supporter
> JoeSchultz, and budget-busting SCPDsters) can be found at
> 'Keeping Santa Cruz Weird: Is Drumming a Crime?'http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/11/18536737.php
>
> More background on issues and information about Mayor Coonerty's 15
> Minute Parking Lot Panic law can be found at
> 'Trash Orchestra to Defend Drummers from SCPD'http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/09/18534554.php
> and
> 'Blueshirts Erase Drum Circle: New Ban on Public Assembly Near
> Farmer's Market'http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/05/18533487.php
>
> Bring cameras, camcorders, audio recorders, and friends.
>
> It is possible but unlikely that police will attempt to cite people
> forsimply being in the parking lot under the Parking Lot Panic Law.
>
> The text of the law can be found at:http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/11/18536737.php?show_comment...
>
> In this case, police must prove you DON'T have a vehicle there and
> arenot walking directly through. Or they have to prove you've been
> therefor more than 15 minutes. And that they have warned you on a
> prioroccasion.
>
> You don't have to prove you DO have a vehiclethere. You DON'T have to
> answer any of their questions about thisissue. In fact, the wisest
> thing is to continue to repeat 'am I free togo?' and then simply walk
> over and talk with a friend.
>
> Ifthey indicate you are not free to go, ask those around you to
> witnessthe harassment, but ask questions but don't answer them.
>
> Technically, if you leave the parking lot every fourteen
> minutes,police will likely have no probable cause to talk with you,
> since howdo they know whose car is whose?
>
> If police attempt to involveyou in dialogue about 'better places for
> drumming', 'the marijuanaproblem', or any other issue, I suggest you
> advise them to set up ameeting at another time when people can meet on
> a level playing fieldand discuss these issues. If police call their
> activity 'educational',suggest they do so at a time when their
> behavior can't be mistaken forintimidation.
>
> Given the number of supporters who regularly show up, ticketing of
> this kind is unlikely.
>
> I'm not a lawyer; these suggestions are just my personal opinions.
> It's most important to use your own judgment.
>
> -----End Forward-----

Melee erupts at farmers market drum circle
Genevieve Bookwalter - Sentinel staff writer
Article Launched: 09/18/2008 01:33:54 AM PDT

found at:  http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_10496396
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