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Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1553
Author: George_Kleist
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:30
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Sorry to em-bare-ass you:

http://www.travestie.org/veronique/
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1554
Author: Veronique
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:52
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George_Kleist wrote:
> Sorry to em-bare-ass you:
>
> http://www.travestie.org/veronique/



Aside from blonde wig, Y chromosome, and complete lack of sheep,...


V., well, no, it's not.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1555
Author: whr
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:57
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"George_Kleist" <george_kleist@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1114205404.102469.292420@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Sorry to em-bare-ass you:
>
> http://www.travestie.org/veronique/

EGAD!!!! I am so glad that I witnessed the birth of my child and can 
confirm, positively, that my wife is a woman. I'd join a monastery if I ever 
ended up in the rack with our own Veronique, or her (its?) ilk.

I always knew there was something different about our sheep lady...

-whr-

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Sigmund Freud
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1556
Author: Tim May
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:52
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In article <4269735e$1_5@alt.athenanews.com>, whr
<tired_of_spam@cablerocket.com> wrote:

> "George_Kleist" <george_kleist@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:1114205404.102469.292420@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Sorry to em-bare-ass you:
> >
> > http://www.travestie.org/veronique/
> 
> EGAD!!!! I am so glad that I witnessed the birth of my child and can 
> confirm, positively, that my wife is a woman. I'd join a monastery if I ever 
> ended up in the rack with our own Veronique, or her (its?) ilk.
> 

Veronique, Queen, Melvin, Pirate Queenie, who cares what you call this
freakazoid?

Based on his comments on downtown Santa Cruz events, I think he's that
guy in the pink dress and umbrella who spends all day slow-walking on
Pacific.

--Tim May
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1557
Author: Queenie
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:58
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:52:20 -0700, Tim May
<timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:

>Veronique, Queen, Melvin, Pirate Queenie, who cares what you call this
>freakazoid?

Just don't call me late for dinner!

>Based on his comments on downtown Santa Cruz events, I think he's that
>guy in the pink dress and umbrella who spends all day slow-walking on
>Pacific.

You know, I've finally figured something out.  Tim is George!

~Queenie

"Alter ipse amicus"
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1559
Author: Veronique
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:02
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Queenie wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:52:20 -0700, Tim May
> <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> >Veronique, Queen, Melvin, Pirate Queenie, who cares what you call
this
> >freakazoid?
>
> Just don't call me late for dinner!
>
> >Based on his comments on downtown Santa Cruz events, I think he's
that
> >guy in the pink dress and umbrella who spends all day slow-walking
on
> >Pacific.
>
> You know, I've finally figured something out.  Tim is George!
>

Don't be silly. Tim wears cunning little cowboy boots; so do I.  Tim
lays bombs in the paths around Corralitos; I ride a horse that does the
same thing. Tim posts to ba.m-f, so do I. Coincidence? I think not.

And furthermore:

An anagram for George Kliest is "GEE STRIKE LOG"

An anagram for Geoff Miller is "FLEE FIRM LOG"

Suspicious, yes?


V.
--
Veronique "Have you any wool" Chez Sheep
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1560
Author: whr
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:22
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"Tim May" <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote in message

>> EGAD!!!! I am so glad that I witnessed the birth of my child and can
>> confirm, positively, that my wife is a woman. I'd join a monastery if I 
>> ever
>> ended up in the rack with our own Veronique, or her (its?) ilk.
>>
>
> Veronique, Queen, Melvin, Pirate Queenie, who cares what you call this
> freakazoid?
>
> Based on his comments on downtown Santa Cruz events, I think he's that
> guy in the pink dress and umbrella who spends all day slow-walking on
> Pacific.
>
> --Tim May

Uh, excuse me Comic Book Guy, I'm supposed to be in your killfile...

-whr-



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Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1561
Author: whr
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:23
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"whr" <tired_of_spam@cablerocket.com> wrote in message 
news:4269b168$1_1@alt.athenanews.com...
>
> "Tim May" <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote in message
>
>>> EGAD!!!! I am so glad that I witnessed the birth of my child and can
>>> confirm, positively, that my wife is a woman. I'd join a monastery if I 
>>> ever
>>> ended up in the rack with our own Veronique, or her (its?) ilk.
>>>
>>
>> Veronique, Queen, Melvin, Pirate Queenie, who cares what you call this
>> freakazoid?
>>
>> Based on his comments on downtown Santa Cruz events, I think he's that
>> guy in the pink dress and umbrella who spends all day slow-walking on
>> Pacific.
>>
>> --Tim May
>
> Uh, excuse me Comic Book Guy, I'm supposed to be in your killfile...
>
> -whr-

Well, it looks accurate before it's sent. Stupid ASCII art... 
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1562
Author: Queenie
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:35
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On 22 Apr 2005 19:02:16 -0700, "Veronique" <veroniqueunique@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Don't be silly. Tim wears cunning little cowboy boots; so do I.  Tim
>lays bombs in the paths around Corralitos; I ride a horse that does the
>same thing. Tim posts to ba.m-f, so do I. Coincidence? I think not.

Aha!

>And furthermore:
>
>An anagram for George Kliest is "GEE STRIKE LOG"
>
>An anagram for Geoff Miller is "FLEE FIRM LOG"
>
>Suspicious, yes?

How could we not see this before?

Not to mention, both George and Geoff, I mean, they both start with
'G'!

And make up funny names. 

Hey.  Maybe I'm them, too.

~Queenie, Amateur Existential Detective

"There is no remainder in the mathematics of infinity."
   ~Bernard Jaffe (Dustin Hoffman)
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1563
Author: Sherwood Harrington
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:24
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In scruz.general Queenie wrote:

> How could we not see this before?
> Not to mention, both George and Geoff, I mean, they both start with
> 'G'!
> And make up funny names. 
> Hey.  Maybe I'm them, too.

> ~Queenie, Amateur Existential Detective

It's very irritating when creatures of my imagination presume to act as 
though they were corporeal.  Stop it now, all of you.

-- 
Ethel Barry
Fort W. H. Ross
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1564
Author: George_Kleist
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:34
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Queenie wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:52:20 -0700, Tim May
> <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> >Veronique, Queen, Melvin, Pirate Queenie, who cares what you call
this
> >freakazoid?
>
> Just don't call me late for dinner!
>
> >Based on his comments on downtown Santa Cruz events, I think he's
that
> >guy in the pink dress and umbrella who spends all day slow-walking
on
> >Pacific.
>
> You know, I've finally figured something out.  Tim is George!

NO,No,no...no!  Alex_DeLarge (aka UltraViolentAlex) is the guy you're
thinking of: "There is me, that is Alex, and me three droogie friends,
Pete, Georgie, and *TIM*." I'm just the guy in the middle... no fault
of mine. Sheeez!  Now ya got me all shagged and fagged and fashed (it
being something of a small energy expenditure to post in scruzland).
Time fer a Milk-Plus now, afterwhich I'll proly trundle o'er to SLV to
do a little in-out in-out with that ol' trans-devotchka, Veronique.  It
will be the ol' surprise visit, I 'sure you... That'll be a real kick
and good for laughs and lashings of the old ultra-violence, trouncin'
on 'is 'ead and burnin' 'is woodenhorse.

  --Georgie_Porgie

> ~Queenie
> 
> "Alter ipse amicus"

"Weni, Weedi, Weeki."

  ~Babawa WaWa
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1565
Author: David Arnstein
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:06
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In article <1114220097.228391.140970@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Veronique <veroniqueunique@yahoo.com> wrote:
>An anagram for George Kliest is "GEE STRIKE LOG"
>
>An anagram for Geoff Miller is "FLEE FIRM LOG"

In case you want more, see http://wordsmith.org/anagram/index.html.

My own name is rich in anagram goodness.  I am so proud.

The following could be self-descriptive:
A servant, did in (Will it come to this?)
A sin driven tad (How I became a father.)
A snit riven dad (I really feel like this when my son gives me trouble.)
A divine strand (Not likely.)
Starved indian (Also not likely.  My waistline will not play fair.)
A sad, driven nit (Time to increase the dosage.)
A deviant's rind (My favorite.)

The following are not self-descriptive, but are mildly interesting:
A sad trend in vi (Those new-fangled features in vim irritate me.)
Satan ridden vi (I still use vi all the time.)
Satan driven id
Dad invents air (SCO invents Linux.)
Strained divan (I really should diet.)
Deviant's nadir (I will reach this soon.) 
-- 
David Arnstein
arnstein+usenet@pobox.com  
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1566
Author: George_Kleist
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:35
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Chez Sheep bleated:

"An anagram for George Kliest is..."
--------------------------------

Thanks eversomuch, V., for pisssmelling my name!
------------------

"'I' before 'E,' except after "K."
  ~Inglés Sin Barreras, Spanglish Anguish Publishers, East L.A., 2005

les
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1567
Author: Veronique
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:57
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George_Kleist wrote:
> Chez Sheep bleated:
>
> "An anagram for George Kliest is..."
> --------------------------------
>
> Thanks eversomuch, V., for pisssmelling my name!
> ------------------
>
> "'I' before 'E,' except after "K."
>   ~Inglés Sin Barreras, Spanglish Anguish Publishers, East L.A.,
2005
> 


It's an anagram, wot? ;-)


V.
--
Veronique Chez Shepe
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1571
Author: Geoff Miller
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:32
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George_Kleist wrote:

> Sorry to em-bare-ass you:

> http://www.travestie.org/veronique/


Jesus, "George."  I wouldn't fuck that with *your* dick.




Geoff

-- 
"That's right; spelling isn't important.  Neither is grammar, or 
 clarity of speech.  Awfuckit; let's just all babble like Yoda on
 heroin; understanding will surely follow, right?" -- Brian Trosko
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1572
Author: Geoff Miller
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:42
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Veronique <veroniqueunique@yahoo.com> writes:

[to George_Kleist]

> Aside from blonde wig, Y chromosome, and complete lack of sheep,...



Sheep?  What's up with this thing women have with whimsical personal
themes?  These motifs usually involve animals, but sometimes flowers
and vegetables.

I first started noticing this phenomenon about ten years ago, when
a couple of users in the building I supported named their workstations
"zebra" and "dalmatian."  In both cases, their offices were packed
with cutesy, appropriately-themed knicknacks: statuettes, posters,
that sort of thing.

A friend of mine is hung up on eggplants.  Just as you refer to your
abode as Chez Sheep, she calls hers Chateau Abergine.  I went to a 
party at her apartment one time, and her front door was marked for
the occasion with an actual eggplant hanging by a string.  (I thought
it was intended as a knocker, so I lifted it and let it drop.  It made
a soft "thud" which no one inside heard, so I ended up knocking in the
conventional manner.  Oh, well...)

Is this unique to American women, or is it a universal female thing?



Geoff

-- 
"That's right; spelling isn't important.  Neither is grammar, or 
 clarity of speech.  Awfuckit; let's just all babble like Yoda on
 heroin; understanding will surely follow, right?" -- Brian Trosko
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1573
Author: Paul Russell
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:09
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Geoff Miller wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine is hung up on eggplants.  Just as you refer to your
> abode as Chez Sheep, she calls hers Chateau Abergine.


I hope you pointed out to her that it's spelled "aubergine".

> 
> Is this unique to American women, or is it a universal female thing?
> 

It's universal - at least in the English-speaking world (and I'll be 
generous and include the USA in that category). Pigs, ducks, sheep, 
"bunnies", lobsters, cows plus the more obvious dogs and cats, etc. I 
think it's just an overspill of maternal hormones.

Paul
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1574
Author: Geoff Miller
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:32
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Paul Russell  <prussell@sonic.net> writes:

> I hope you pointed out to her that it's spelled "aubergine".

C'est une typeaux.  I'll do the gentlemanly thing and take the fall
for it.


> It's universal - at least in the English-speaking world (and I'll be 
> generous and include the USA in that category). Pigs, ducks, sheep, 
> "bunnies", lobsters, cows plus the more obvious dogs and cats, etc. I 
> think it's just an overspill of maternal hormones.

That's as good an explanation as any, I'd wager.

It probably derives from the same urge that impels women to put stuffed
toy animals in their cars.




Geoff

-- 
"That's right; spelling isn't important.  Neither is grammar, or 
 clarity of speech.  Awfuckit; let's just all babble like Yoda on
 heroin; understanding will surely follow, right?" -- Brian Trosko
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1575
Author: Veronique
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:52
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Geoff Miller wrote:
> Veronique <veroniqueunique@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> [to George_Kleist]
>
> > Aside from blonde wig, Y chromosome, and complete lack of sheep,...
>
>
>
> Sheep?  What's up with this thing women have with whimsical personal
> themes?  These motifs usually involve animals, but sometimes flowers
> and vegetables.

I dunno about other women's avatars, but in my case the sheep thing is
an extended practical joke (explained at one point in ascf). The
problem with being perceived as collecting *anyting* is that eventually
"anything" comes to dominate one's life, especially if one has been
unfortunately enough to be identified with easy kitsch (pigs and
chickens pop right to mind.)

Surely you also understand the difficulty of explaining my response to
ol' George; I suppose I could have said, "Aside from the blonde wig, Y
chromosome, brow ridges, Adam's apple, and rather large hands..." but
it wouldn't have been nearly so amusing.


V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1541
Author: Geoff Miller
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:18
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Veronique <veroniqueunique@yahoo.com> writes:

> Surely you also understand the difficulty of explaining my response to
> ol' George; I suppose I could have said, "Aside from the blonde wig, Y
> chromosome, brow ridges, Adam's apple, and rather large hands..." but
> it wouldn't have been nearly so amusing.


Of course.  I'd been meaning to bring up the "personal avatar"[*]
thing for some time.  Your post was simply the one I chose to use
as a springboard.


	[*] That word always makes me think of Ralph Bakshi's
	    animated feature "Wizards."



Geoff

-- 
"That's right; spelling isn't important.  Neither is grammar, or 
 clarity of speech.  Awfuckit; let's just all babble like Yoda on
 heroin; understanding will surely follow, right?" -- Brian Trosko
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1542
Author: C. Deforrest Smith
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:39
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> It probably derives from the same urge that impels women to put
stuffed
> toy animals in their cars.

I thought that was an Asian thing... or is that specific to the rear
package-tray stuff animal landscaping?
Ah, how I miss driving in Milpitas.

 
cds
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1543
Author: Veronique
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:55
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C. Deforrest Smith wrote:
> > It probably derives from the same urge that impels women to put
> stuffed
> > toy animals in their cars.
>
> I thought that was an Asian thing... or is that specific to the rear
> package-tray stuff animal landscaping?
> Ah, how I miss driving in Milpitas.
>

Don't got no sheep in Batray (but do got a car with a name, which I
suppose is the next, "Why do all women..." topic.)


V., don't got no rear package-tray either.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
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Author: Geoff Miller
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:16
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C. Deforrest Smith <bd_juju@hotmail.com> writes:

> I thought that was an Asian thing... or is that specific to the rear
> package-tray stuff animal landscaping?

You're referring, of course, to the "stuffed white toy dog inside
the rear window" thing.  That's an ethnically-identifiable subset
of the larger phenomenon.  (You might've noticed that Orientals 
also tend to have boxes of Kleenex in the same location.)

But I've seen cars with plush-toy animals ensconced on the back
seat, atop the dash, etc.  A friend of mine used to have a small
plush-toy animal of some sort zip-tied to the roll cage of his 
race car.  It's name was "God."  This allowed him to tell people
that "God is my copilot."  (Racing people are weird.)


> Ah, how I miss driving in Milpitas.

Ah yes, Milpitas...one of the most populous Asian cities in the world...



Geoff

-- 
"Lying.  Cheating.  Stealing.  Hurting people.  These things
 are bad.  Eating pastry is not bad.  Get a grip!" --jwermont
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
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Author: Geoff Miller
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Veronique <veroniqueunique@yahoo.com> writes:

> Don't got no sheep in Batray (but do got a car with a name, which I
> suppose is the next, "Why do all women..." topic.)



Well, as a matter of fact, more women than men *do* name their cars.
I think it derives from the same instinct that impels them to "cute up"
their vehicles with stuffed toy animals: an emotional need to anthropo-
morphize them which arises out of a vague discomfort with inanimate 
machines.  It's the nurturing instinct at base, I suppose.

So why would anyone name a VW Beetle "Batray?"  



Geoff

-- 
"Soon, nearly everyone in the room was announcing that no existing
 group adequately reflected their identity, and they needed to be
 in a group of one.  It was like a capsule history of the American
 Left." -- East Bay Express
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1548
Author: Glen Appleby
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:41
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On 26 Apr 2005 09:12:00 -0700, in
ba.mountain-folk,geoffm@u1.netgate.net (Geoff Miller) wrote:

>Well, as a matter of fact, more women than men *do* name their cars.
>I think it derives from the same instinct that impels them to "cute up"
>their vehicles with stuffed toy animals: an emotional need to anthropo-
>morphize them which arises out of a vague discomfort with inanimate 
>machines.

Dunno.  When I was working on our cars.  I'd sometimes give them
names of the moment.  Names like BASTARD and PIECE OF SHIT.  This
was usually when I was working on them and things weren't going
well.  This happened most often while living in The Mountains, 20
minutes from the nearest (poor) parts store, when it was cold and
wet and I was under the car, in the mud and greasy water dripping
in my eyes.  Seldom when we lived in The Pit.

--
"Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on whom we love."
-- "A General Theory Of Love"  Thanks, Mom
______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby  glena@armory.com <HTTP://www.armory.com/~glena/>
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1549
Author: Sherwood Harrington
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:04
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In scruz.general Glen Appleby <glena@isp.com> wrote:

> Dunno.  When I was working on our cars.  I'd sometimes give them
> names of the moment.  Names like BASTARD and PIECE OF SHIT.

Or names of more-than-the-moment, like Van o' Death.

-- 
Sherwood Harrington
Creepy Hollow
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1550
Author: Veronique
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:26
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Geoff Miller wrote:
> Veronique <veroniqueunique@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Don't got no sheep in Batray (but do got a car with a name, which I
> > suppose is the next, "Why do all women..." topic.)
>
>
>
> Well, as a matter of fact, more women than men *do* name their cars.
> I think it derives from the same instinct that impels them to "cute
up"
> their vehicles with stuffed toy animals: an emotional need to
anthropo-
> morphize them which arises out of a vague discomfort with inanimate
> machines.  It's the nurturing instinct at base, I suppose.
>
> So why would anyone name a VW Beetle "Batray?"
>

I didn't name it, a nurturing woman friend did. See, we were in
Monterey, and had just been petting the batrays in the touchtank
earlier that day, and I mentioned to her stepgrandmother who'd been
putting us up that I was looking for a Karmann Ghia or Beetle, and she
was taking care of a little old man who'd had a stroke and lost his
short-term memory and couldn't drive and had a Bug that had been
sitting for four years, and we went to look at it and the rounded nose
of Beetles is not unreminiscent of the rounded nose of Batrays and
so...


V. "see, there's always a reason"
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1551
Author: Tim May
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:51
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In article <d4lsap$1do$1@blue.rahul.net>, Sherwood Harrington
<sherwoodno@spamrahul.net> wrote:

> In scruz.general Glen Appleby <glena@isp.com> wrote:
> 
> > Dunno.  When I was working on our cars.  I'd sometimes give them
> > names of the moment.  Names like BASTARD and PIECE OF SHIT.
> 
> Or names of more-than-the-moment, like Van o' Death.


Yeah, but when Glen took the l-o-n-g way into town, passing various
telephone booths and clinics and fire stations, hoping Kathy would
bleed out on the floorboards of the Van o' Death, she didn't.

Glen renamed it "Lying Bitch."


--Tim May
Re: Bahh, Bahh, Chez Sheep, Have you any wool?
#1552
Author: Glen Appleby
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:02
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\On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:04:25 +0000 (UTC), in
ba.mountain-folk,Sherwood Harrington <sherwoodno@spamrahul.net>
wrote:
>In scruz.general Glen Appleby <glena@isp.com> wrote:
>
>> Dunno.  When I was working on our cars.  I'd sometimes give them
>> names of the moment.  Names like BASTARD and PIECE OF SHIT.
>
>Or names of more-than-the-moment, like Van o' Death.

For a FAR different reason, IIRC.

--
"Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on whom we love."
-- "A General Theory Of Love"  Thanks, Mom
______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby  glena@armory.com <HTTP://www.armory.com/~glena/>
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