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"Tim May" <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> I saw a bum/wino choking or thrashing or rolling around near the river
> today, as I crossed over that sludgy creek.
>
> I briefly thought about helping, then recalled that tort law says I
> have no obligation to stop, but that if I do, I have an obligation to
> help.
>
> I watched for a while, then decided he was fulfilling Darwinian law.
>
> So I passed this piece of shit by.
>
> Anyone hear about a death along the San Lorenzo this afternoon,
> Wednesday, the 12th?
>
>
> --Tim May

Thankfully, you, by virtue of childlessness, are also fulfilling Darwinian
law.

Z.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:52:41 -0800, Tim May
<timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:

>I saw a bum/wino choking or thrashing or rolling around near the river
>today, as I crossed over that sludgy creek.

You may have been mistaken.  That could have been anything from a
suicidal kayaker to a bum taking his annual bath.  To the best of my
limited knowledge, both activities are still legal.

>I briefly thought about helping, then recalled that tort law says I
>have no obligation to stop, but that if I do, I have an obligation to
>help.

True.  You also have a moral obligation to help or at least call for
help.  However, your apparently lack of any morals makes that somewhat
difficult.  If you are unwilling or unable to personally assist,
perhaps punching 911 on your cell phone might have helped.

>I watched for a while, then decided he was fulfilling Darwinian law.
>So I passed this piece of shit by.

A wise move.  Your reputation among the homeless community is probably
well established by now.  Should you have disclosed your identity,
most bums, Jews, minorities, blacks, gang members, politicians, and
other undesireables would have suspected that you were trying to
exterminate them, rather than offer assistance, and run for their
lives.

>Anyone hear about a death along the San Lorenzo this afternoon,
>Wednesday, the 12th?

My palatial office is next to the river near the entrance of the
former Camp Paradise.  Sorry, no recently deceased bodies are
available for whatever experiments you wish to perform.  However,
should one become available, I'll let you know.  Which spare body
parts to you need to have intact and where would you like it
delivered?


-- 
Jeff Liebermann    jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D   http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060    AE6KS  831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:52:41 -0800, Tim May
> <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> 
> >I saw a bum/wino choking or thrashing or rolling around near the river
> >today, as I crossed over that sludgy creek.
> 
> You may have been mistaken.  That could have been anything from a
> suicidal kayaker to a bum taking his annual bath.  To the best of my
> limited knowledge, both activities are still legal.
> 
> >I briefly thought about helping, then recalled that tort law says I
> >have no obligation to stop, but that if I do, I have an obligation to
> >help.
> 
> True.  You also have a moral obligation to help or at least call for
> help.  However, your apparently lack of any morals makes that somewhat
> difficult.  If you are unwilling or unable to personally assist,
> perhaps punching 911 on your cell phone might have helped.

Actually, I believe it is not true. The only time you are obligated to
do anything BY LAW is if you are "on duty." Since what's his face could
not be on duty, he could go over and look at the guy and do nothing. If
I am not on duty, I have no obligation to render aid, even as a state
certified EMT. Also, if you try to do something, and even if you do it
wrong (and weren't grossly negligent) you cannot be successfully sued
due to the Good Samaritan Laws that exist is every state. I don't think
you can be charged with abandonment if you at least notify someone. 
However, I am not a lawyer so don't take this as legal advice. 

> 
> >I watched for a while, then decided he was fulfilling Darwinian law.
> >So I passed this piece of shit by.

I couldn't do that. My parents raised me different. 

> 
[stuff deleted]
> --
> Jeff Liebermann    jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D   http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060    AE6KS  831-336-2558

Dave. Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire, for whom I do not speak, except on Red Fire.

Well, in the sixties when the times were peacful, dig that, we had a 
bonfire down on the beach.  that let it know beach whales couldn't land.
It is probably a Hawaiian tradition, but don't see many landlubbers on 
the beach there probably.


David Scruggs wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:52:41 -0800, Tim May
>><timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I saw a bum/wino choking or thrashing or rolling around near the river
>>>today, as I crossed over that sludgy creek.
>>
>>You may have been mistaken.  That could have been anything from a
>>suicidal kayaker to a bum taking his annual bath.  To the best of my
>>limited knowledge, both activities are still legal.
>>
>>
>>>I briefly thought about helping, then recalled that tort law says I
>>>have no obligation to stop, but that if I do, I have an obligation to
>>>help.
>>
>>True.  You also have a moral obligation to help or at least call for
>>help.  However, your apparently lack of any morals makes that somewhat
>>difficult.  If you are unwilling or unable to personally assist,
>>perhaps punching 911 on your cell phone might have helped.
> 
> 
> Actually, I believe it is not true. The only time you are obligated to
> do anything BY LAW is if you are "on duty." Since what's his face could
> not be on duty, he could go over and look at the guy and do nothing. If
> I am not on duty, I have no obligation to render aid, even as a state
> certified EMT. Also, if you try to do something, and even if you do it
> wrong (and weren't grossly negligent) you cannot be successfully sued
> due to the Good Samaritan Laws that exist is every state. I don't think
> you can be charged with abandonment if you at least notify someone. 
> However, I am not a lawyer so don't take this as legal advice. 
> 
> 
>>>I watched for a while, then decided he was fulfilling Darwinian law.
>>>So I passed this piece of shit by.
> 
> 
> I couldn't do that. My parents raised me different. 
> 
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
>>--
>>Jeff Liebermann    jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
>>150 Felker St #D   http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>>Santa Cruz CA 95060    AE6KS  831-336-2558
> 
> 
> Dave. Scruggs
> Captain, Boulder Creek Fire, for whom I do not speak, except on Red Fire.

"Patty" <prodoni@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:Q5WHd.3011$m31.37828@typhoon.sonic.net...
> Well, in the sixties when the times were peacful, dig that, we had a
> bonfire down on the beach.  that let it know beach whales couldn't land.
> It is probably a Hawaiian tradition, but don't see many landlubbers on
> the beach there probably.

Wha?
z.