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In Article<DMu282.MoL@cruzio.com>, <dolson@bbs.cruzio.com> write:
> I'm writing partly to warn people (though I'm not at all sure that
> there's much to do besides putting the car in a garage, which we
> don't have) and partly to find out how rampant this type (or even
> other types) of vandalism are here in the SLV.

THe only human vandalism we've experienced was having an ambulance 
back over our mailbox, the garbage collectors abusing our trashcan 
and the mail truck running over our garbage can lid.  Oh, and the
next door neighbor kids (who have permission to use our basketball
hoop) hang on the rim sometimes.

The neighborhood dogs now, and the deer, banana slugs and birds,
have done major damage to our garden.

Not much help, I'm afraid.  It must be upsetting to have your
tires slashed.  When I lived in Santa Cruz, a friend of mine had
the top of his VW convertible slashed twice - and it cost mucho
buckos to repair/replace each time.

I'd recommend a security light over the driveway or maybe a dog
(ugh).

--
Heather Madrone
(heather@madrone.com)
http://www.madrone.com

Unfortunately, Ben Lomond does have more than its fair share of
irresponsible young males, probably due to the large number of "group
homes" for ne'er-do-wells in the area.  It's really too bad, because
it's such a nice place in most other respects.

I learned this fact the hard way, as you did. We moved to one of the
"nice" neighborhoods in Ben Lomond in late '92.  The first couple of
years we were here, we had about 5 or 6 flats from nails that
mysteriously appeared in our car tires overnight; I was robbed walking
home from Ben Lomond Market; and the radio was stolen out of one of
our cars.  More recently our kids have been threatened by a
knife-wielding young punk while they were IN OUR OWN YARD, in broad
daylight.  After all this, I hardly mind being flipped off by young
male hitchikers in our area.

Our house used to be one of those group homes I mentioned above.
After we bought the place, one of the punks who used to live here
raped a local girl, and then dragged her father into the street and
broke his jaw, because the father dared to call the police.

Other than these minor details, and the incessantly barking dogs on
three sides, and the 110 decibel Harleys that plague the town all
summer, this has been a nice place to live.

Mark Alexander (alexande@netcom.com) wrote:

: Unfortunately, Ben Lomond does have more than its fair share of
: irresponsible young males, probably due to the large number of "group
: homes" for ne'er-do-wells in the area.  It's really too bad, because
: it's such a nice place in most other respects.

Here we go - typical while middle-class response to crime - it "must be" the
group homes. *MY* kids and their friends are little angels and would *NEVER*
do something as awful as that.

Too bad we can't just put all those people that are in group homes into
mental institutions or even better yet, maybe we can gas them, eh? We *all*
know that they are the scum of the earth and responsible for all the crime
in the area.

: I learned this fact the hard way, as you did. We moved to one of the
: "nice" neighborhoods in Ben Lomond in late '92.  The first couple of
: years we were here, we had about 5 or 6 flats from nails that
: mysteriously appeared in our car tires overnight; I was robbed walking
: home from Ben Lomond Market; and the radio was stolen out of one of
: our cars.  More recently our kids have been threatened by a
: knife-wielding young punk while they were IN OUR OWN YARD, in broad
: daylight.  After all this, I hardly mind being flipped off by young
: male hitchikers in our area.

: Our house used to be one of those group homes I mentioned above.
: After we bought the place, one of the punks who used to live here
: raped a local girl, and then dragged her father into the street and
: broke his jaw, because the father dared to call the police.

: Other than these minor details, and the incessantly barking dogs on
: three sides, and the 110 decibel Harleys that plague the town all
: summer, this has been a nice place to live.

Ben Lomond sounds like a hell-hole to me - why don't you move to $aratoga or
Lo$ Gato$ where they don't let "those" type of people live?

mike

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Laura ... you or your husband really pissed off someone. That ain't no 
prank. Not if your neighbors didn't receive the same treatment ...

I would *think* one of you have an enemy at work ... or you drive in such 
a manner that someone took it personal. Try & think about it ...

Get a dog ... Chows are nice.
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Dear Mike-
I really wish you were kidding and being sarcastic.

I was born and raised in Saratoga....but was 35 years ago. Even then,
my father twice had his car battery stolen. Though it was in a very
respectable neighborhood, my father suspected a troublesome neighbor
kid. Just a regular kid from upper middle-class background who thought
he could get away with anything. Spoiled rich kid. 
(Needless to say...this kid left his juvenile criminal past behind and
is now successful businessman who probably now is engaged in white
collar crime)
 However, just living in Saratoga doesn't mean there isn't crime. There
are still "those people" who live there too who live behind security
gates, big mansions and high walls. There is/was a lot of drug traffic
because the Saratoga kids can afford the drugs. I am not talking about
pot but of the expensive high addictive drugs like cocaine. There was
also an extremely large amount of alcohol abuse in my high school.
(most likely copied from their parents!)

I also recall incidences of date rapes at my high school there were
very traumatizing to us. My brother even dated a Ms. Saratoga many
years back who was physically beaten by her father. There is still
crime in Saratoga but it is of a different level....a secretive level.

Nowadays most people can't afford to live in Saratoga...including
myself...so its not so easy to just to say "i think i'll move to
Saratoga"...lets be realistic dude!

Presently I live in the Redwood Estates area of Los Gatos. Quite a few
people don't lock their doors up here...but we do. Yet, I have not
heard of any crime occuring up around here.  The mountains are a
wonderful place to live...I have several friends who live in Ben Lomond
& Felton who love it there. The people can be very friendly and down to
earth...not like "those people" you will find with their noses in the
air at the lg or saratoga coffee houses.  

I suggest you look at the real world and see whats around you before
you criticize so shamelessly.

Lived there already

elizabeth 







In <4g1m76$7hq@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> bender@doemain (Michael Bender)
writes: 
>
>Mark Alexander (alexande@netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: Unfortunately, Ben Lomond does have more than its fair share of
>: irresponsible young males, probably due to the large number of
"group
>: homes" for ne'er-do-wells in the area.  It's really too bad, because
>: it's such a nice place in most other respects.
>
>Here we go - typical while middle-class response to crime - it "must
be" the
>group homes. *MY* kids and their friends are little angels and would
*NEVER*
>do something as awful as that.
>
>Too bad we can't just put all those people that are in group homes
into
>mental institutions or even better yet, maybe we can gas them, eh? We
*all*
>know that they are the scum of the earth and responsible for all the
crime
>in the area.
>
>: I learned this fact the hard way, as you did. We moved to one of the
>: "nice" neighborhoods in Ben Lomond in late '92.  The first couple of
>: years we were here, we had about 5 or 6 flats from nails that
>: mysteriously appeared in our car tires overnight; I was robbed
walking
>: home from Ben Lomond Market; and the radio was stolen out of one of
>: our cars.  More recently our kids have been threatened by a
>: knife-wielding young punk while they were IN OUR OWN YARD, in broad
>: daylight.  After all this, I hardly mind being flipped off by young
>: male hitchikers in our area.
>
>: Our house used to be one of those group homes I mentioned above.
>: After we bought the place, one of the punks who used to live here
>: raped a local girl, and then dragged her father into the street and
>: broke his jaw, because the father dared to call the police.
>
>: Other than these minor details, and the incessantly barking dogs on
>: three sides, and the 110 decibel Harleys that plague the town all
>: summer, this has been a nice place to live.
>
>Ben Lomond sounds like a hell-hole to me - why don't you move to
$aratoga or
>Lo$ Gato$ where they don't let "those" type of people live?
>
>mike
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Elizabeth Lara (elara@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: >Ben Lomond sounds like a hell-hole to me - why don't you move to $aratoga
: >or Lo$ Gato$ where they don't let "those" type of people live?

: I suggest you look at the real world and see whats around you before
: you criticize so shamelessly.

And I suggest that you read the post by the original poster who made the
assertion that the crime in the area was due to "those" type of people that
live in group homes. I stand by my assertion that $aratoga and Lo$ Gato$ do
not let "those" type of people live in those towns (i.e. no group homes, no
low-income subsidized housing).

mike

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Why can't the offenders learn how to act?

Also, why is there always some liberal always 
ready to defend bad behavior with some typically 
class-baiting remark such as "move to $aratoga"?

In article <4g2njj$q19@chronicle.mti.sgi.com>, Lynn Hall <lhall@mti.sgi.com> writes:
> Laura ... you or your husband really pissed off someone. That ain't no 
> prank. Not if your neighbors didn't receive the same treatment ...

Well, we have really wracked our brains over this, and we just
can't think of anyone.  We are careful drivers, pull over when
we're going slower than other traffic, my husband works with
a very small close-knit group at work, and we have good relations
with the neighbors.  Still, many of the people we talk to share
your view.  The only suggestion that has the remotest possibility
is perhaps the boyfriend of a sitter we are no longer using.  Very
very remote, though.

> I would *think* one of you have an enemy at work ... or you drive in such 
> a manner that someone took it personal. Try & think about it ...

We have, and thanks for the suggestions.

We also have heard that this *sort* of thing (although not this
intensity of a thing) isn't all that uncommon around here.  One
teenager on our street says she has a good idea of who may have
done it - though there's no way to prove it, of course.  These
boys have done similar things in the past and she sees them on
our street.  Who really knows, of course.

I don't take it as a bad sign about Ben Lomond, BTW.  But in
my more pessimistic moments I tend to take it as a bad sign for
the way our society in general is headed.  Kids not well-educated,
etc etc etc.

> Get a dog ... Chows are nice.

I'm a dog person...but I venture my husband would rather put a
new set of tires on the car once in a while.  :-)

We have started leaving the outside lights on at night.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts on this.

Laura Dolson

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Brian Sutin wrote:

> Astronomers would prefer for you to have a motion sensor as well.  Less
> light pollution.

And argon lights as well, eh? I had heard that the emission from 
argon street lights, the yellow/orange ones, have very little
spectrum spread and are easily accomodated for in imaging.

Is this true or were they just blowing smoke?

-- 
If cleanliness is next to godliness then |  dhentric@systems.dhl.com
Mother Nature is no deity.               |

Jeff Northon <jeffo@Sasquatch.com> writes:
>>
>> We have started leaving the outside lights on at night.
>>
>> Thanks for everyone's thoughts on this.
>>
>> Laura Dolson
>
>I really like those motion sensors that activate a light. I put one in
>the carport and also wired a lite inside the house so I wouldn't have
>to stumble around until I found the lite switch. It also lets me know
>when a visitor is outside near the house. 8#)

Astronomers would prefer for you to have a motion sensor as well.  Less
light pollution.

Brian Sutin                             sutin@ucolick.org
Lick Observatory, UCSC                  Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"                   `Top Hat,' RKO 1935
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."

>
> We have started leaving the outside lights on at night.
>
> Thanks for everyone's thoughts on this.
>
> Laura Dolson

I really like those motion sensors that activate a light. I put one in
the carport and also wired a lite inside the house so I wouldn't have
to stumble around until I found the lite switch. It also lets me know
when a visitor is outside near the house. 8#)

In article <4g3g4h$5m0@cloner3.netcom.com>,
   elara@ix.netcom.com (Elizabeth Lara ) wrote:

>I was born and raised in Saratoga....but was 35 years ago. Even then,
>my father twice had his car battery stolen. Though it was in a very
>respectable neighborhood, my father suspected a troublesome neighbor
>kid. Just a regular kid from upper middle-class background who thought
>he could get away with anything. Spoiled rich kid. 

My family lived there from '69 to '90.  We and our neighbors
had intermittent vandalism problems, mostly from bored
rich kids.  And this was before it became fashionable
for rich kids to emulate the attire and attitudes of
ghetto homeboys.





John Reece             | He's rested. He's ready.
Not an Intel spokesman | Nixon in '96!

Robert A. Holt (robert@ag3d.com) wrote:

: Why can't the offenders learn how to act?

Yeah, why can't they - how hard can it be? And if they don't "learn" how to
act, we can just lock them up and throw away the key - out of sight, out of
mind. After all, none of the "bad people" are YOUR kids or friends of your
your kids, right?

: Also, why is there always some liberal always 
: ready to defend bad behavior with some typically 
: class-baiting remark such as "move to $aratoga"?

I don't understand this comment at all, other than it is somehow directed to
me. Could yolu re-phrase it, please? And while you're at it, could you
please provide evidence that there isn't a gross class distinction between
Saratoga/Los Gatos and the SLV?

mike

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In article <4gd70b$c7s@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM>, bender@oobleck.eng.sun.com wrote:

> Robert A. Holt (robert@ag3d.com) wrote:
> 
> : Why can't the offenders learn how to act?
> 
> Yeah, why can't they - how hard can it be? And if they don't "learn" how to
> act, we can just lock them up and throw away the key - out of sight, out of
> mind. After all, none of the "bad people" are YOUR kids or friends of your
> your kids, right?

Locking such perps up and "throwing away the key" costs too much. This is
why California has 130,000 perps in prison and will need 24 new prisons by
the year 2005. (Guess what, they're not going to get built, and/or will
cost way too much.)

A better solution is to lie in wait for the perps who kill dogs, smash
mailboxes, slash tires, and generally reveal themselves to be unworthy of
life. Lie in wait, kill them with silenced weapons, and dispose of them in
the woods. (Hint: have an 8-foot hole ready, and a couple of bags of
quicklime.)

I moved to rural Corralitos, in the hills, just so that I would be free of
these pieces of shit. Anyone trespassing on my land and acting like a perp
is fair game.  Dispose of them as God intended, and life will return to
normal.

--Tim May

> tcmay@got.net (Tim May) writes:
> 
> 
> In all seriousness however, if locking them up is ineffective, what should be
> done?  I suggest that perhaps the problem is a cultural problem, and we should
> work on ways of improving our current melange of inherited social concepts.
> How do we do this, you may ask....  Good question.  Let me posit that culture
> is the sum of the people in the culture, and we must each individually take a
> hard look at what we see and attempt to do our individual parts towards raising
> our collective children in a good way.  And, when I say children, I include
> the child in all of us.
> 
> How was that for a hokey feel-good statement that's all verbage and no action?
> 
> - Lyle
> 

Ok, so it was just words -- so was the previous post.  The difference is
that *your* words were at least headed in the right direction.  Care to
expand a bit?

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It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
_______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby               glena@cruzio.com 

tcmay@got.net (Tim May) writes:

>In article <4gd70b$c7s@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM>, bender@oobleck.eng.sun.com wrote:

>> Robert A. Holt (robert@ag3d.com) wrote:
>> 
>> : Why can't the offenders learn how to act?
>> 
>> Yeah, why can't they - how hard can it be? And if they don't "learn" how to
>> act, we can just lock them up and throw away the key - out of sight, out of
>> mind. After all, none of the "bad people" are YOUR kids or friends of your
>> your kids, right?

>Locking such perps up and "throwing away the key" costs too much. This is
>why California has 130,000 perps in prison and will need 24 new prisons by
>the year 2005. (Guess what, they're not going to get built, and/or will
>cost way too much.)

In fact, I saw a news program last fall that informed me that California
prison inmates just surpassed California college students.  We're now spending
more on institutes of lower education (prisons) than institutes of higher
education.  Makes me proud to be a Californian.  Don't forget that we folks
in the United States also have a higher incarceration rate than most
countries in the world (we're somewhere in the top 10, but I forget exactly
where).... we rival China.  Also, we are one of the few first world countries
that still have a death penalty.  God, I love this country.

>A better solution is to lie in wait for the perps who kill dogs, smash
>mailboxes, slash tires, and generally reveal themselves to be unworthy of
>life. Lie in wait, kill them with silenced weapons, and dispose of them in
>the woods. (Hint: have an 8-foot hole ready, and a couple of bags of
>quicklime.)

>I moved to rural Corralitos, in the hills, just so that I would be free of
>these pieces of shit. Anyone trespassing on my land and acting like a perp
>is fair game.  Dispose of them as God intended, and life will return to
>normal.

Tim,  I've gotta admit, I've watched you post to various places for many a
year, and you post some of the greatest flame-bait.  Keep up the good work.

In all seriousness however, if locking them up is ineffective, what should be
done?  I suggest that perhaps the problem is a cultural problem, and we should
work on ways of improving our current melange of inherited social concepts.
How do we do this, you may ask....  Good question.  Let me posit that culture
is the sum of the people in the culture, and we must each individually take a
hard look at what we see and attempt to do our individual parts towards raising
our collective children in a good way.  And, when I say children, I include
the child in all of us.

How was that for a hokey feel-good statement that's all verbage and no action?

- Lyle

tcmay@got.net (Tim May) wrote:


>A better solution is to lie in wait for the perps who kill dogs, smash
>mailboxes, slash tires, and generally reveal themselves to be unworthy of
>life. Lie in wait, kill them with silenced weapons, and dispose of them in
>the woods. (Hint: have an 8-foot hole ready, and a couple of bags of
>quicklime.)

>I moved to rural Corralitos, in the hills, just so that I would be free of
>these pieces of shit. Anyone trespassing on my land and acting like a perp
>is fair game.  Dispose of them as God intended, and life will return to
>normal.

Right on, Tim!  Kill them mailbox smashers!  Ain't nothin' God hates worse than
a damn mailbox smasher!  I believe that was actually going to be one of the Ten
Commandments ("Thou shalt not smash thy neighbors mailbox"), but it just didn't
quite make the cut.

In article <tcmay-2202962210270001@tcmay.got.net>, tcmay@got.net (Tim May) writes:
> A better solution is to lie in wait for the perps who kill dogs, smash
> mailboxes, slash tires, and generally reveal themselves to be unworthy of
> life. Lie in wait, kill them with silenced weapons, and dispose of them in
> the woods. (Hint: have an 8-foot hole ready, and a couple of bags of
> quicklime.)
> 
> I moved to rural Corralitos, in the hills, just so that I would be free of
> these pieces of shit. Anyone trespassing on my land and acting like a perp
> is fair game.  Dispose of them as God intended, and life will return to
> normal.

Are you kidding? "God" intends for you to murder? Your first
paragraph made you sound like a run of the mill death squad
type. Bad enough, but then you veer into serial killer territory.

In article <tcmay-2202962210270001@tcmay.got.net>, 
tcmay@got.net (Tim May) writes:
> Locking such perps up and "throwing away the key" costs too much. This is
> why California has 130,000 perps in prison and will need 24 new prisons by
> the year 2005. (Guess what, they're not going to get built, and/or will
> cost way too much.)
> 
> A better solution is to lie in wait for the perps who kill dogs, smash
> mailboxes, slash tires, and generally reveal themselves to be unworthy of
> life. Lie in wait, kill them with silenced weapons, and dispose of them in
> the woods. (Hint: have an 8-foot hole ready, and a couple of bags of
> quicklime.)
> 
> I moved to rural Corralitos, in the hills, just so that I would be free of
> these pieces of shit. Anyone trespassing on my land and acting like a perp
> is fair game.  Dispose of them as God intended, and life will return to
> normal.
> 
> --Tim May
A humanist, huh?  Proud to be a 'neighbor' of such a fine, caring
person.

-- 
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It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
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Glen Appleby               glena@cruzio.com 

In Article<Dn8oJD.C7o@cruzio.com>, <kag@cruzio.com> write:
> tcmay@got.net (Tim May) wrote:
> >A better solution is to lie in wait for the perps who kill dogs, smash
> >mailboxes, slash tires, and generally reveal themselves to be unworthy of
> >life. Lie in wait, kill them with silenced weapons, and dispose of them in
> >the woods. (Hint: have an 8-foot hole ready, and a couple of bags of
> >quicklime.)
> 
> >I moved to rural Corralitos, in the hills, just so that I would be free of
> >these pieces of shit. Anyone trespassing on my land and acting like a perp
> >is fair game.  Dispose of them as God intended, and life will return to
> >normal.
> 
> Right on, Tim!  Kill them mailbox smashers!  Ain't nothin' God hates worse
> than a damn mailbox smasher!  I believe that was actually going to be one of 
> the Ten Commandments ("Thou shalt not smash thy neighbors mailbox"), but it 
> just didn't quite make the cut.

Yeah.  I guess I should've shot the tires out of the ambulance that smashed
my mailbox.  Or maybe shot the ambulance driver or the paramedic.  Yeah, 
that's it!  I wonder who would've taken my daughter to the hospital if I had
shot the ambulance driver, though.  Maybe I should've waited until AFTER they
got her to the hospital and THEN shot the driver.

--
Heather Madrone, astonished that the simple logic of this solution didn't
occur to her at the time.
(heather@madrone.com)
http://www.madrone.com

>In article <tcmay-2202962210270001@tcmay.got.net>, tcmay@got.net (Tim May) writes:
> A better solution is to lie in wait for the perps who kill dogs, smash
> mailboxes, slash tires, and generally reveal themselves to be unworthy of
> life. Lie in wait, kill them with silenced weapons, and dispose of them in
> the woods.
	[Snip]
>                Dispose of them as God intended, and life will return to
> normal.

Better yet, preemptively kill anyone who looks as though they
might someday smash your mailbox. That certainly ought to count
as justifiable homicide...right ? Thanks ever so much for these
helpful thoughts on making Ben Lomand a better place to live in.

Is it true by the way that despite your parents best efforts you
still refuse to eat livers ?

Rob Kleinschmidt
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[The above thoughts are not ones that I espouse seriously, nor
are they the views of my employer].

In article <NEWTNews.825100813.8440.heather@madrone.com>, Heather Madrone <heather@madrone.com> writes:
> 
> In Article<Dn8oJD.C7o@cruzio.com>, <kag@cruzio.com> write:
> > tcmay@got.net (Tim May) wrote:
> > >A better solution is to lie in wait for the perps who kill dogs, smash
> > >mailboxes, slash tires, and generally reveal themselves to be unworthy of
> > >life. Lie in wait, kill them with silenced weapons, and dispose of them in
> > >the woods. (Hint: have an 8-foot hole ready, and a couple of bags of
> > >quicklime.)
> > 
> > >I moved to rural Corralitos, in the hills, just so that I would be free of
> > >these pieces of shit. Anyone trespassing on my land and acting like a perp
> > >is fair game.  Dispose of them as God intended, and life will return to
> > >normal.
> > 
> > Right on, Tim!  Kill them mailbox smashers!  Ain't nothin' God hates worse
> > than a damn mailbox smasher!  I believe that was actually going to be one of 
> > the Ten Commandments ("Thou shalt not smash thy neighbors mailbox"), but it 
> > just didn't quite make the cut.
> 
> Yeah.  I guess I should've shot the tires out of the ambulance that smashed
> my mailbox.  Or maybe shot the ambulance driver or the paramedic.  Yeah, 
> that's it!  I wonder who would've taken my daughter to the hospital if I had
> shot the ambulance driver, though.  Maybe I should've waited until AFTER they
> got her to the hospital and THEN shot the driver.
> 
> --
> Heather Madrone, astonished that the simple logic of this solution didn't
> occur to her at the time.

That's one of those solutions that has everything going for it.  If
you felt any remourse afterwards, well, he'd *be* at the hospital.
If not, it's not that far to the coroner's office ..... and there's
an ambulance to take him there.

-- 
Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss's job.
It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
_______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby               glena@cruzio.com 

In article <4gldne$771@schweik.hal.COM>, robk@hal.COM (Robert
Kleinschmidt) wrote:


> Is it true by the way that despite your parents best efforts you
> still refuse to eat livers ?

I refused to eat livers when my parents served them.

Then, as an adult, I discovered they taste quite good with fava beans and
a light chianti.

--Tim May

Tim May wrote:
> 
> In article <4gldne$771@schweik.hal.COM>, robk@hal.COM (Robert
> Kleinschmidt) wrote:
> 
> > Is it true by the way that despite your parents best efforts you
> > still refuse to eat livers ?
> 
> I refused to eat livers when my parents served them.
> 
> Then, as an adult, I discovered they taste quite good with fava beans and
> a light chianti.
> 
> --Tim May

Hmm - back when liver was good for you, you wouldn't
eat it, and now that it is bad for you you like it. 
More than coincidence?  I think that liver got better 
tasting when they realized it was unhealthy:-)

Tim May said:
>I refused to eat livers when my parents served them.

>Then, as an adult, I discovered they taste quite good with fava beans >and a light chianti.

drink enough Chianti and most anything tastes good...
actually sounds quite good... and I'll be having a bumper crop of fava beans
soon (winter cover crop).... guess I'll need to go out and buy more Chianti 
right away...

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tcmay@got.net (Tim May) wrote:

>I moved to rural Corralitos, in the hills, just so that I would be free of
>these pieces of shit. Anyone trespassing on my land and acting like a perp
>is fair game.  Dispose of them as God intended, and life will return to
>normal.


Now, now.  There's a commandment against killing.  However, I don't
recall one against emptying a 12-gauge loaded with rock salt into
someone's behind.





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